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sai tyrus
04-11-2012, 07:41 PM
Hey all, wondering what ya'll think of this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130625).

I like it. I'm an Nvidia man. I'm looking at $150 max for a purchase. I want something I can rock out BF3 and the Witcher 2 on high or Ultra settings. Thoughts?

Thanks!

This is what I have (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130475).

Syl
04-11-2012, 07:55 PM
To say it bluntly: That won't rock out BF3 and The Witcher 2 at high or ultra.

You're going to be looking at closer to $200 if you want to do that.

If you're dead set on going nvidia, the 560ti is where you're going to want to go. Otherwise i'd put the little bit of extra money in and go for an amd 7850 and save yourself a ton of wasted energy and power. (The 7850 is more powerful than a 560ti and uses 100 less watts of power at load)

Anenome
04-11-2012, 07:57 PM
Mmm, bro, honestly? I wouldn't buy anything less than a 2gb card today. It might cost you another $20, but there's few things more worth it than a better GPU.

I'm rocking ATI right now. There's never been less reason to be one vs the other, though I still give nVidia the edge because of compatibility. But I just love ATI for some reason.

Syl
04-11-2012, 08:03 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127616
^probably the cheapest card for what you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127616
^AMD, but a better card overall for various reasons, reasons that will largely negate the price difference in the long run. However i wouldn't trust that particular brand/cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102984
^What i'm running, for comparison. (Though i've overclocked mine to 1ghz core and 1300mhz ram)

sai tyrus
04-11-2012, 08:20 PM
I could do $200. Honestly, I'll probably have to work more for this one! It just caught my fancy because it was a brief browse, great price. I knew I had to come to the gurus. Just need to man the fuck up and pony out that dough.

Anenome
04-11-2012, 08:23 PM
At $200, you can get a really decent card these days! And for $300 you can get an amazing one :)

sai tyrus
04-11-2012, 08:24 PM
To say it bluntly: That won't rock out BF3 and The Witcher 2 at high or ultra.

You're going to be looking at closer to $200 if you want to do that.

If you're dead set on going nvidia, the 560ti is where you're going to want to go. Otherwise i'd put the little bit of extra money in and go for an amd 7850 and save yourself a ton of wasted energy and power. (The 7850 is more powerful than a 560ti and uses 100 less watts of power at load)

And looking at the 7850, I'm not necessarily adverse against going there, but AMD has been getting such a bad rap lately, I'm a little hesitant to go that way.

sai tyrus
04-11-2012, 08:27 PM
At $200, you can get a really decent card these days! And for $300 you can get an amazing one :)

Haha. Yeah, $300 pains me. But if I get a few shifts, be patient, and save up, I can do it. Just hard because money is tight. Working on paying off my car, grad school applications (and sending in my GRE scores... costs quite a bit of money, it adds up), and I'm prepping on taking a certification in Critical Care. So... lots of mulah out the window. I can wait though. This has been a long, on-going conversation. I want the most bang for my buck. Maybe I need to come back to the table when I have the cash to back it up. ;)

Anenome
04-11-2012, 08:34 PM
Hey no worries. At $200 you get 90% the performance of a $300 card, you just have to upgrade maybe a year or two earlier later down the road :P Seriously, $200 price point is light years ahead of where it ysed to be back in the day. But at $100+ range you're really getting short-shrift.

Syl
04-12-2012, 10:50 AM
And looking at the 7850, I'm not necessarily adverse against going there, but AMD has been getting such a bad rap lately, I'm a little hesitant to go that way.
I have no idea where AMD's bad rap is coming from? Sure they aren't the absolute best of the best performance they were a few months ago, but AMD and Nvidia always trade blows at the fastest and bestest card.

Which, coincidentally, is not what you're looking for. So the fact that AMD's $500 card isn't as good as Nvidia's $500 card shouldn't matter.

The 7850 does cost a bit more than a 560ti, but it has twice as much ram, it runs better in the vast majority of benchmarks and the main reason i recommend it is because it runs incredibly cool and takes far less power. It takes noticeably less power than my old 4870 and i think it should take less power than your GTX 275.

Also there were some driver issues when the card first launched, but those were beta drivers. I personally never had a problem with them and now that 12.3 are out i heard that fixed the previous problems, i'm currently running the 12.4 beta and its going very well.

Anenome
04-12-2012, 11:24 AM
AMD has more aggressively attacked the $200 price point as well. Nvidia is trying to catch up, but AMD is already there.

sai tyrus
04-12-2012, 12:09 PM
Thanks fellas. Well, mayhap AMD it is. I'll save up some more first. That's pretty wild the 7850 pulls less power than my GTX 275.

sai tyrus
04-12-2012, 12:12 PM
My only other concern is that most of these cards are PCI express 3.0 x16. My Mobo is a 2.0 x 16. Specs on that here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136066).

Syl
04-12-2012, 12:17 PM
My only other concern is that most of these cards are PCI express 3.0 x16. My Mobo is a 2.0 x 16. Specs on that here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136066).
Won't make a difference. The PCI-E 3.0 is essentially future proofing. It's entirely backwards compatible with 2.0 and 1.0 slots. It, honestly, won't even have any noticeable benefits with a 3.0 motherboard yet.

Same thing with DX 11.1, it doesn't actually exist yet but the card does support it whenever it actually comes to public release. (Windows 8, but will make it back to windows 7)

(For a personal example, i'm using my 7850 on my old AM2+ DDR2 motherboard)

Anenome
04-12-2012, 04:40 PM
Well there ya go.

sai tyrus
04-12-2012, 10:52 PM
Thanks Syl!

VenomUSMC
04-12-2012, 11:15 PM
I recommend a min of GTX680 running in SLI.

sai tyrus
04-15-2012, 02:19 PM
Haha. That would be nice. Too out of budget though!

lockwoodx
04-15-2012, 03:10 PM
Not to rain on your parade, but newegg is kind of a joke now that they sell everything. (lol jewelry)

Also you're not going to find anything that can run the witcher 2 on ultra for under 250.

This is your best shot, after using the Bios hack. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150549

edit: and this one blows a 7850 away due to the stream processors. Best card on the market atm for the money.

sai tyrus
04-15-2012, 04:26 PM
That's cool. Not a bad price either.

Syl
04-15-2012, 07:06 PM
Not to rain on your parade, but newegg is kind of a joke now that they sell everything. (lol jewelry)

Also you're not going to find anything that can run the witcher 2 on ultra for under 250.

This is your best shot, after using the Bios hack. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150549

edit: and this one blows a 7850 away due to the stream processors. Best card on the market atm for the money.
The 7850 is superior the the 6950 in every single benchmark. The amount of stream processors isn't the only thing that matters. Also the 7850 takes about 2/3 the power of a 6950 and the card itself is physically only about 2/3 the size. Likewise

Also my 7850 runs the Witcher 2 on ultra without AA perfectly fine. Not to mention not everyone wants to risk a BIOS hack that has a chance of failing and completely bricking the card and voiding the warranty.

Also newegg prices for the cards are absolutely comparable to every single other place I looked. Lower than most.

I did my research, in depth, before i bought my 7850, I read about 20 benchmarks and checked the prices at roughly 10 sites. You are making an assumption that the 6950 WILL bios unlock, and even then you are making the assumption that the 7850 won't overclock, and 7850s are amazing overclockers.

Still nothing could possibly make the 50+watt power difference between the two cards, and i'll go with the newer, more power efficient architecture every time. Especially considering the massive gains it made for reasons not directly related to FPS.

lockwoodx
04-17-2012, 01:33 AM
The 7850 is superior the the 6950 in every single benchmark. The amount of stream processors isn't the only thing that matters. Also the 7850 takes about 2/3 the power of a 6950 and the card itself is physically only about 2/3 the size. Likewise

Also my 7850 runs the Witcher 2 on ultra without AA perfectly fine. Not to mention not everyone wants to risk a BIOS hack that has a chance of failing and completely bricking the card and voiding the warranty.

Also newegg prices for the cards are absolutely comparable to every single other place I looked. Lower than most.

I did my research, in depth, before i bought my 7850, I read about 20 benchmarks and checked the prices at roughly 10 sites. You are making an assumption that the 6950 WILL bios unlock, and even then you are making the assumption that the 7850 won't overclock, and 7850s are amazing overclockers.

Still nothing could possibly make the 50+watt power difference between the two cards, and i'll go with the newer, more power efficient architecture every time. Especially considering the massive gains it made for reasons not directly related to FPS.

http://i.imgur.com/YALkC.jpg

Suit yourself if you like to play it safe.
I get the most value out of my products because in all honestly, none of this junk is meant to last more than 2 years anyways.

Syl
04-17-2012, 07:57 AM
My last videocard lasted me over 3 years, Even then it was still working perfectly adequately until Battlefield 3 came out. I expect this one will be similar. We've reached a point in a computer life cycle where upgrades aren't truly necessary.

Likewise, when you take "value for products" the money saved from the power cost of a 7850 over a 6950 or gtx 560ti is substantial. Likewise the fact that the 7xxx series is dx11.1 compatible means that its a bit more futureproofed than the 6950. The drivers are also going to improve as the rest of the product line comes down the chain.

lockwoodx
04-17-2012, 08:29 AM
Yeah ATI cards are hot noisy power hogs that's fo shizzle. Mah sexy beast I have clocked into space runs almost at a constant 67 C. Doubles as a space heater in the winter ;)

Syl
04-17-2012, 08:17 PM
They were hot power hogs, the new 28nm process that the 7xxx series are running is incredible at a power ratio. The 7870 pumps out more than twice the performance than my old 4870 at less power and 1/100th the idle power. I'm curious if this is going to be reflected in my power bill. Admittedly, the new nvidia cards should have similar power gating and power performance whenever they come out.

The GTX 680 is a little more power hungry than the 7970, but it's also a little bit more powerful. Luckily the 7970 just got a price reduction that moves it below the 680 and into the correct price/performance power ratio.

Still a $$$ above MY price though...

blackzc
04-19-2012, 01:47 AM
Not to rain on your parade, but newegg is kind of a joke now that they sell everything. (lol jewelry)

I went back to tiger after there was an issue with my visa being declined and locked out a couple years ago at newegg. Just never really cared to deal with fixing it. I didn't know they were selling jewelry. Dang.