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BeardedSonOfNel 06-19-2019 07:43 PM

EA Says Loot-Boxes Are Quite Ethical
 

Via One Angry Gamer
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When there’s money to be made off of something lucrative, you best bet the defenses and excuses will be high when under scrutiny, and there’s no difference here when EA’s VP of legal and government affairs, Kerry Hopkins, was questioned by the UK Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport Committee in an oral evidence session regarding the legitimacy and fairness of loot-boxes.

In a new write up that PCGamesN published (archive.is), Hopkins, EA’s VP of legal and government affairs, implores that the company’s loot-boxes aren’t randomized but “surprise mechanics.”

During the oral evidence session pertaining to the UK Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport Committee, the website relays Hopkins comparing loot-boxes to “surprise toys” like “Kinder Eggs, or Hatchimals, or LOL Surprise.”

Grumsh 06-19-2019 07:50 PM

While inside most of us died a little inside reading that, you can bet when some dumb ass buys her rhetoric, she will get a nice bonus...

SpectralThundr 06-19-2019 08:09 PM

Surprise! You got fleeced! I still like EA's NHL title but my God do they really make it easy to hate them as a publisher.

thatlukeguy 06-19-2019 10:19 PM

LOL Surprise

Edit: I don't bear any ill will towards that lady. In fact more power to her. She's doing what she was hired to do. The impetus is on us as consumers to stop buying their casino products. This is what will make them change, they will always go where the money is. Nature of the beast.

Juan 06-20-2019 03:06 AM

Part of me wants to says it's a free market and it's ok to fleece stupid people. However this shit is pushing genuine gambling at children and that is wrong. Yes the parents can and should stop their kids doing but it's still morally wrong to be dangling this shit in kids faces.

karaliusbronius 06-20-2019 03:26 AM

Really? Absolute idiots, EA ruins everything.

Chimpbot 06-20-2019 03:39 AM

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In a new write up that PCGamesN published (archive.is), Hopkins, EA’s VP of legal and government affairs, implores that the company’s loot-boxes aren’t randomized but “surprise mechanics.”
This is an odd stance to take, because not having them randomized (which they clearly are) makes them worse.

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During the oral evidence session pertaining to the UK Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport Committee, the website relays Hopkins comparing loot-boxes to “surprise toys” like “Kinder Eggs, or Hatchimals, or LOL Surprise.”
All of the examples she gave are example of gambling because you don't know what the outcome will be. Sure, you'll always get a toy...but will it be the extremely common one, or the rare shortpacked one?

"Surprise mechanics" is just a nicer way of saying "gambling".

BadIronTree 06-20-2019 10:32 AM

In Kinder Eggs THE PRODUCT IS Chocolate not the toy... What a tool... She we be CEO one day

Exodus 06-20-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chimpbot (Post 2539805)
This is an odd stance to take, because not having them randomized (which they clearly are) makes them worse.



All of the examples she gave are example of gambling because you don't know what the outcome will be. Sure, you'll always get a toy...but will it be the extremely common one, or the rare shortpacked one?

"Surprise mechanics" is just a nicer way of saying "gambling".

How do you explain pokemon card packs then.
I'm totally against it but honestly this is a conversation we need to have of where the line is because card packs are 'gambling' in the same vein and the more you invest the higher chance you get something decent that will make your deck OP. So what is wrong with that in video games?

Again, playing devils advocate but in all seriousness I make your same argument that it's wrong but it is just hard to say why other than the fact that it preys on children who don't know better but so do pokemon cards.

Chimpbot 06-20-2019 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Exodus (Post 2539822)
How do you explain pokemon card packs then.
I'm totally against it but honestly this is a conversation we need to have of where the line is because card packs are 'gambling' in the same vein and the more you invest the higher chance you get something decent that will make your deck OP. So what is wrong with that in video games?

Again, playing devils advocate but in all seriousness I make your same argument that it's wrong but it is just hard to say why other than the fact that it preys on children who don't know better but so do pokemon cards.

I'd classify booster packs and blind boxes in the same category; it's all essentially gambling.

LostToys 06-20-2019 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BadIronTree (Post 2539820)
In Kinder Eggs THE PRODUCT IS Chocolate not the toy... What a tool... She we be CEO one day

Well you could say the same thing about their games. The game is the chocolate and the toy is the loot box. You are getting a fun little surprise every once and a while because you are enjoying the game.

PacerDawn 06-20-2019 06:25 PM

I can't believe I am defending EA here...

Randomized loot boxes are not ethical only if the publisher does not advertise that they are random. As much as I hate them, I have yet to see EA do this though. Look at EA titles. They clearly state that loot boxes are anything but randomized... I'm sorry, "surprise mechanic-ed" whatever that bullshit means.

Does it suck? Yes, it does. EA sucks in general. So if you don't like it, then what is the solution?

DON'T BUY THE FUCKING GAME.

Seriously, how hard is that? Apparently, very hard because is seems like a lot of people would prefer to buy the game and then cry about it like pussies.

To those people I say: Grow a backbone. I'm not even kidding.

BadIronTree 06-21-2019 07:09 AM

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walstib 06-21-2019 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PacerDawn (Post 2539843)
I can't believe I am defending EA here...

Randomized loot boxes are not ethical only if the publisher does not advertise that they are random. As much as I hate them, I have yet to see EA do this though. Look at EA titles. They clearly state that loot boxes are anything but randomized... I'm sorry, "surprise mechanic-ed" whatever that bullshit means.

Does it suck? Yes, it does. EA sucks in general. So if you don't like it, then what is the solution?

DON'T BUY THE FUCKING GAME.

Seriously, how hard is that? Apparently, very hard because is seems like a lot of people would prefer to buy the game and then cry about it like pussies.

To those people I say: Grow a backbone. I'm not even kidding.

Agreed.

EA should continue to do what they are doing because the data supports their decisions. Whiners be damned (note: I disagree with what they do and I go without!)

Crack is a hell of a drug...

Chimpbot 06-21-2019 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PacerDawn (Post 2539843)
I can't believe I am defending EA here...

Randomized loot boxes are not ethical only if the publisher does not advertise that they are random. As much as I hate them, I have yet to see EA do this though. Look at EA titles. They clearly state that loot boxes are anything but randomized... I'm sorry, "surprise mechanic-ed" whatever that bullshit means.

Their loot box systems are built on systems of chance. While they may not be truly random, there are absolutely statistical probabilities behind getting certain items. Random or not, they're still shady and exploitative (although I would actually call Blizzard a worse offender on this front, because they intentionally designed Overwatch's loot boxes to look and feel like opening a Christmas present).

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DON'T BUY THE FUCKING GAME.
Well, that's the thing: I don't. Loot boxes are a shitty practice and I'd love to see them go away. That's one of the reasons why I don't buy games with them.

BeardedSonOfNel 06-22-2019 05:28 AM

I haven't bought anything from EA sense the last Mass Effect. Hell I don't buy most modern games anymore because they don't give you the whole game. That and everything is a god damned sequel.

GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Evil Avatar 06-22-2019 11:04 AM

I still buy lots of games, but I have pretty much given up on DLC of any kind. There was a point when I wanted all the DLC to have the “whole” game, but now I just play whatever comes in the box and then I move on to the next title.

If they do more single player content for Red Dead Redemption 2, I would buy that, but so far the multiplayer hasn’t been interesting enough to spend any time playing it. It’s the same as the free-roam on the single player, only some jackass shows up every few minutes and kills you. Yea, that’s fun. NOT.

I’m going to try to snag a couple of Platinum trophies since I don’t have any. I think I’m going to try to get one for Spider-Man, God of War and Day’s Gone then probably go back and get one for Season 1 of The Walking Dead since you get the Platinum just for playing though it the first time.


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