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Emabulator 09-08-2018 01:06 PM

Two Riot Games Employees Out After Social Media Posts About Controversial PAX Panels
 

Game Informer has the story.

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Riot Games, the studio behind the popular MOBA League of Legends, has been a subject of controversy with alarming frequency over the last few weeks. After numerous accusations of sexual harassment and toxic work culture, Riot released a statement promising to do better for its employees and its fans with a number of agenda points and actionable statements. This lead to another controversy this past weekend, where Riot Games held a PAX panel exclusively for women and nonbinary people on the subject of getting women into games professionally.

The League of Legends community, specifically on the game's subreddit, was not fond of this move. Many accused Riot of trying to solve their sexism problems by engaging in sexism against men. It became a particular sore spot as Riot had allegedly asked the mods of the subreddit to remove discussions about sexism in the previous few weeks, so the community already felt aggrieved by the developer.

During the commotion, Riot systems designer Daniel Z. Klein made his presence known by commenting on the subject, calling the complainers "manbabies" and laid the blame on "violently angry" protesters for making the community feel "fucking terrifying" in a follow-up reddit post. Another Riot employee, communications designer Mattias Lehman, backed up Klein on Twitter, arguing that the "both sides" mentality misses the forest for the trees.

EL CABONG 09-08-2018 01:34 PM

Good publicly Insulting your customers should get you fired.

Terran 09-08-2018 01:56 PM

Progressives are generally unable to separate their desire for inclusion (a laudable goal) from their desire to discriminate against whites, men, conservatives, Christians, and anyone who isn't actively part of their preferred demographic. They find it nigh impossible to conceive of the one without the elimination of these other groups, with the irony escaping them completely. :rolleyes:

blackzc 09-08-2018 02:54 PM

Fire all the bitches. The sexism will go away. Go to titty bars during lunch.

How can people be so fucking stupid? Women ruin everything that is dominated by men. Get rid of them.

Evil Avatar 09-08-2018 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackzc (Post 2520504)
Fire all the bitches. The sexism will go away. Go to titty bars during lunch.

How can people be so fucking stupid? Women ruin everything that is dominated by men. Get rid of them.

While your post is pretty far off the mark in terms of political correctness, I have been reading and hearing that a lot of big tech companies are starting to institute an under the table policy of not hiring women specifically because of all the trouble they end up causing.

All this progressive nonsense is actually ending up hurting the people they claim to want to help. You go around making a huge stink all the time about "toxic masculinity" and after a while companies will just find it easier to not hire women/trans/minorities just to keep from having to deal with the lawsuits and headache.

Emabulator 09-08-2018 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Avatar (Post 2520507)
While your post is pretty far off the mark in terms of political correctness, I have been reading and hearing that a lot of big tech companies are starting to institute an under the table policy of not hiring women specifically because of all the trouble they end up causing.

All this progressive nonsense is actually ending up hurting the people they claim to want to help. You go around making a huge stink all the time about "toxic masculinity" and after a while companies will just find it easier to not hire women/trans/minorities just to keep from having to deal with the lawsuits and headache.

In other words, Jersey style - excuse me, "just do your damn job and shut the f*** up." I mean how hard is this for people? Working for a living is great, and IT SUCKS. Pay me, bye! See you next week. :D

Terran 09-08-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Emabulator (Post 2520508)
"just do your damn job and shut the f*** up." I mean how hard is this for people?

Truth. I learned a long time ago that an unspoken priority of the folks above me in the hierarchical food chain is to keep drama off of their damn agenda and out of their workspace. You create drama and you become the shit pile that draws the flies, and they're looking to flush you out of the system as quickly as possible, because shit stinks and flies are disgusting.

In other words, just do your damn job and keep your drama to your own fucking self. Period.

vallor 09-08-2018 03:40 PM

Interesting they feel the need to hold a panel on how to get women into the games industry. In fact I find it laughable. The criteria for most game companies when evaluating a female for a STEM position seems to be "1) Have a bare number of qualifications, usually just enough to check off a few of the boxes on the job description, 2) have a vagina. Bonus points if you are marginally good looking." Sometimes we would end up with a "Yeah, but we can train her in that" discussions when comparing to a better qualified male candidate. No, this doesn't include Trans or non-binary weirdness. I haven't run into those hiring decisions yet, thankfully.

Male applicants, on the other hand, need to compete with each other on all requirements measured in high levels expertise not simply if they have any knowledge of a topic at all.

It is funny that they only worry about the toxic community when it comes to whatever their preferred minority is.

The Riot community is one of the most toxic on the internet no matter who you are or what you identify as and always has been. They are equal opportunity fuck-sticks just like pretty much every other gaming community.

This is what the special snowflakes of the anti-gamergate contingent missed when they keep insisting Gamergaters are sexist, racist, or whatever -ist... no, we aren't.

We hate or like people because they are whiny bitches, assholes, or good players who help their team mates or show incredible skills. It really was about making sure people weren't fucking their way to good reviews and making sure game "journalists" were holding themselves to some standards instead of the incestuous insider good ol' (non-gender binary) radical progressive club it had become and, frankly thanks to the lack of Gamergate allies with any sort of authority and the ability to for the media to hold all the narrative cards, still is.

EDIT: To be clear, many of the women I've worked with, particularly in Sr. positions have been good at their job. However the fact remains that, in my experience and my opinion, a merely qualified female will almost always get the hiring nod over a WELL qualified male. It is the exception and not the rule to find the flat out female diversity hire, same with racial diversity hires. But the fact it happens at all is a huge problem. And now with places like California making laws where they want to force Boards of companies to include a certain number of females it will really begin watering down accomplishments.

Mad Max RW 09-08-2018 05:15 PM

I find it amusing this was posted almost right after a Leisure Suit Larry trailer.

Exodus 09-08-2018 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vallor (Post 2520511)
Interesting they feel the need to hold a panel on how to get women into the games industry. In fact I find it laughable. The criteria for most game companies when evaluating a female for a STEM position seems to be "1) Have a bare number of qualifications, usually just enough to check off a few of the boxes on the job description, 2) have a vagina. Bonus points if you are marginally good looking." Sometimes we would end up with a "Yeah, but we can train her in that" discussions when comparing to a better qualified male candidate. No, this doesn't include Trans or non-binary weirdness. I haven't run into those hiring decisions yet, thankfully.

Male applicants, on the other hand, need to compete with each other on all requirements measured in high levels expertise not simply if they have any knowledge of a topic at all.

It is funny that they only worry about the toxic community when it comes to whatever their preferred minority is.

The Riot community is one of the most toxic on the internet no matter who you are or what you identify as and always has been. They are equal opportunity fuck-sticks just like pretty much every other gaming community.

This is what the special snowflakes of the anti-gamergate contingent missed when they keep insisting Gamergaters are sexist, racist, or whatever -ist... no, we aren't.

We hate or like people because they are whiny bitches, assholes, or good players who help their team mates or show incredible skills. It really was about making sure people weren't fucking their way to good reviews and making sure game "journalists" were holding themselves to some standards instead of the incestuous insider good ol' (non-gender binary) radical progressive club it had become and, frankly thanks to the lack of Gamergate allies with any sort of authority and the ability to for the media to hold all the narrative cards, still is.

EDIT: To be clear, many of the women I've worked with, particularly in Sr. positions have been good at their job. However the fact remains that, in my experience and my opinion, a merely qualified female will almost always get the hiring nod over a WELL qualified male. It is the exception and not the rule to find the flat out female diversity hire, same with racial diversity hires. But the fact it happens at all is a huge problem. And now with places like California making laws where they want to force Boards of companies to include a certain number of females it will really begin watering down accomplishments.

I agree that we're overcompensating but I disagree that it happens all the time considering we have a pretty long history of not so maybe you mean during your life span which is a drop in the bucket compared to the whole.

I think both sides need to fucking grow up and realize yeah there has been a travesty that's been happening and yes one side might have a history of factual fucked up shit that was traditional they need to also put on a grown up hat too but should be working towards THE BALANCE or are they expecting compensation since the beginning of time?
I mean yeesh hilary had her run and they sure didn't show up to vote for her. Good luck on their next chance. Maybe when obama's daughter gets there in another 30yrs.

Paranoia 09-09-2018 04:42 AM

Get woke, go broke.

AlfredT 09-09-2018 06:37 AM

So fucking dumb. Lets make an "inclusive" session... by excluding people.

Oh people are upset.. lets justify it with stupid rhetoric that has no logical sense.

Oh noes, we got fired! Quelle Surprise!

blackzc 09-09-2018 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoia (Post 2520527)
Get woke, go broke.

Yea, the betas are in charge atm. Alphas have to fight twice as hard, with the heel nippers and all, or do they?

If i had to choose. Id choose the less money, stress free Alpha route during this timeline. These mofos want to run around like crazy for money, caving on their values, makes shit easier for me. Nature corrects things at some point.

ElektroDragon 09-09-2018 06:56 PM

They're all idiot children, because only idiot children would design or play a MOBA. :rolleyes:

Juan 09-10-2018 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Terran (Post 2520509)
Truth. I learned a long time ago that an unspoken priority of the folks above me in the hierarchical food chain is to keep drama off of their damn agenda and out of their workspace. You create drama and you become the shit pile that draws the flies, and they're looking to flush you out of the system as quickly as possible, because shit stinks and flies are disgusting.

In other words, just do your damn job and keep your drama to your own fucking self. Period.

100% this.

The easiest path to success in the work place - make your bosses job easier. You can be a belligerent cunt to those beneath you if you must but ALWAYS make it easier for those above you. This isn't brown nosing, it's common sense.

vivafletcher 09-10-2018 03:10 AM

This is a confusing thread. Do we know if there was sexual harassment going on, or are we just assuming it was people complaining for no reason?

Because people shouldn't be harassed at work. Even if it makes things uncomfortable to change the current culture. Not sure why that would be controversial. People might feel threatened over the phrase "toxic work culture" but they really do exist. Not always, but it does exist.

Can I assume that everybody agrees that sexual harassment is wrong and we should eliminate it from workplaces when it exists, or is there an incel thing going on in video game culture that I don't know about?

RAV 09-10-2018 04:11 AM

Maybe. But the question comes down to how you define "toxic" and "harassment" and what you do about it.
The policies in many liberal work places to handle this have become increasingly insane.
Stuff like looking a woman in the eyes for more than 5 seconds is considered harassment.
and I mean this literally, this is no joke, it's real. Seriously. Fuck that shit.

Pretty much any sort of distress is construed as toxic at this point,
and the liberal obsession about totally "eliminating" things based on very questionable,
fuzzy and downright bizarre interpretations of the problem does feel threatening.

There is just so much legal uncertainty for regular men at the work place anymore,
ripe for abuse, I consider that a lot more toxic at this point than anything else.

AlfredT 09-10-2018 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blackzc (Post 2520555)
Yea, the betas are in charge atm. Alphas have to fight twice as hard, with the heel nippers and all, or do they?

If i had to choose. Id choose the less money, stress free Alpha route during this timeline. These mofos want to run around like crazy for money, caving on their values, makes shit easier for me. Nature corrects things at some point.

This is something a "beta" would say.

Sad conspiracy theory shit. If you are going for the whole I'm an alpha male shit.. lil free tip.. Alpha males don't shit around bitching at how a beta male conspiracy is undermining them.

" Id choose the less money, stress free Alpha route during this timeline"

You're really trying extra hard to be retarded today aren't you. A+ for effort.

MavenACTG 09-10-2018 10:04 AM

You know, I wrote the below, and I'm just going to throw it out there, but I'm not fully committed to the ideas. This would be the equivalent of some CMV stuff:

Gaming companies really need to leave addressing social problems to the creative space and its ability to explore all sides of an issue. The minute social commentary leaves the domain of art, you become participant and actor in the zeitgeist, good or bad, and need to fully commit to the struggle that is going to come your way.

The gaming industry suffers from the same myopia and cultural weaknesses that are promulgated in tech culture (better at solving problems created by their own technology rather than addressing social problems meaningfully, tend to ignore governing bodies or outside parties except when it serves their business interest, libertarian / capitalist ideology dominant).

I don't see how anyone in that industry feels they are in any position to make positive change. Tech folks are the gilded class of the modern era; I say that both to their influence and power and their complete disconnect from everyday realities. Games are one of the ultimate signifiers that you only have first-world problems to deal with.

The decision to do "Womens-Only" anything to counteract male-dominated anything is going to fail because that fundamentally misunderstands feminism's core approach to equality: not through "separate but equal", but where gender isn't a factor (within reason) in decisions of non-sexual matter, period.

Terran 09-10-2018 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AlfredT (Post 2520578)
You're really trying extra hard to be retarded today aren't you. A+ for effort.

Grade inflation. Your standards are slipping. :D


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