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Evil Avatar 11-11-2017 03:54 PM

Happy Veterans Day!
 
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Happy Veterans Day to all those who served, sacrificed and died for our country. Celebrate by burning a NFL Jersey.

Phoenix1985 11-11-2017 04:08 PM

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Might be a good idea to celebrate by not deporting veterans instead, I think.

Evil Avatar 11-11-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1985 (Post 2498373)
Might be a good idea to celebrate by not deporting veterans instead, I think.

Might be a good day not to get political and just celebrate veterans too.

brandonjclark 11-11-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1985 (Post 2498373)
https://images.dailykos.com/images/4...jpg?1496255239

Might be a good idea to celebrate by not deporting veterans instead, I think.

Do you think this is Starship Troopers?

https://i.imgur.com/I0lFi4X.png

Emabulator 11-11-2017 04:31 PM



Thank you for your service veterans.

Terran 11-11-2017 04:33 PM

Thank you, vets, for your service!

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1985 (Post 2498373)
Might be a good idea to celebrate by not deporting veterans instead, I think.

Might be a good idea for you to find an NFL flag protest to enjoy instead of shitting on a thread intended to honor vets, douchebag.

Emabulator 11-11-2017 04:43 PM

That's a nice image from Sledgehammer Games in the OP.

vallor 11-11-2017 05:10 PM

I personally credit my time in the Air Force for everything I have today.

Aside from the discipline and the other benefits one can gain from the structured lifestyle they took my natural aptitude (top 98 percentile mechanical on the ASVAB) and taught me how to look at complex systems and break them down to their component parts, troubleshoot, and properly fix them.

They put a million dollars into training me to work on airplanes from those that could carry tanks, to those that flew ground support for those tanks (even though I generally worked on Airlift/cargo planes), then advanced systems, then finally leadership training.

Planes I worked on dropped troops and equipment in the first gulf war.

Planes that I worked on dropped relief supplies during the Bosnia/Serbia conflict.

Planes that I worked on evacuated people, especially women and children who had been terribly abused in conflict zones, to safety.

Thanks to the rules around financial responsibility the military has (if you don't pay your bills they will garnish your wages and might get written up to boot) I was able to get credit for my first computer. It wasn't long till I started tinkering with it and using the same techniques they taught me to fix planes to work on it and upgrade and create configs to make games run faster and all sorts of neat things.

A few years after I got out I was able to put that all together and, without any college at the time mind you, with a little luck land a job working in the R&D team at one of the largest software companies in the world keeping their computers running and upgraded. It was a low level job to be sure but all it takes is that toe hold.

25 years later I make a fine living and while there have been a lot of failures and downturns if I pull back to the big picture I see lots of big milestones from the past 25 - 30 years all sourced from my time in the military.

I've worked on software that has probably been used by a billion people to make the world operate better and more efficiently.

I contributed to making algorithms which were patented and used by many people in their everyday life.

I was part of making mobile hardware a thing even though it was a little ahead of it's time and missed the big boat in the mid-2000s.

I've worked on games of all types and seen some of the franchises I've worked on make over a billion dollars and had a huge impact on the gaming world.

And one of the things I'm most proud of is having worked on medical software which, I think, will change the world in how doctors can educate patients on what might be wrong with them which is proven to improve outcomes. Just giving some papers on the way out the door isn't good enough. Reading is not understanding.

So I want to take this chance to thank Uncle Sam. IMO I was on track to be a nothing. The most important thing I might ever do is serve a taco or fries to someone who might do something great. Instead Uncle Sam gave me the chance to influence the world, even a little bit, myself.

Melodramatic? Pretentious? Probably, but damn if I don't look back and see my signing up as the thing that completely turned my life around.

EDIT: Made a few corrections.

I also think it's worth thanking all the people who support the military in more than just lip service. There's a lot of people who feel compelled to say "Yay, thanks Vets!" because it's the "right thing to do" but don't really understand or really don't mean it because they don't believe in the missions the military has been called to perform since WWII. They are allowed to feel that way and I don't begrudge them that. I hope they are honest with themselves. For those who do see some of the bigger pictures, despite some of the ill advised directives, your thanks are much appreciated.

blackzc 11-11-2017 05:18 PM

--------------------------------Call Of Duty Veterans---------------------

__________________!!THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!______________


Na, I've always been envious of dudes that join up. I'm too much of a free spirit and a smart ass to take it seriously, and that's a requirement if your going to do any good. If i could take just 50% of the discipline you get in the military and apply it to my life i would be in a much better position im sure.

Vallor, you did all that and worked on one of my favorite video games like ever? Is there anything you cant do?

rubbishfoo 11-11-2017 05:18 PM

Thank you, Veterans for the privileges that you have given myself and my family.

Thank you for your service.

Evil Avatar 11-11-2017 05:41 PM

Thank you to all EvAv Veterans!

brandonjclark 11-11-2017 05:48 PM

Veteran's are some of the best people in the country.

Thanks Vets!

Mad Max RW 11-11-2017 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1985 (Post 2498373)

Might be a good idea to celebrate by not deporting veterans instead, I think.

Deport yourself with a bullet to the brain.

MadMurdock_0311 11-11-2017 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1985 (Post 2498373)
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Might be a good idea to celebrate by not deporting veterans instead, I think.

I think anyone who serves 4+ years Honorably should be granted citizenship. My second Squad Leader found out when he enlisted that he was not a citizen. His mom never told him. Anyways, he served his 4 years honorably, and before getting out, earned his citizenship. I would have followed that man into Hell.

Evil Avatar 11-11-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMurdock_0311 (Post 2498394)
I think anyone who serves 4+ years Honorably should be granted citizenship. My second Squad Leader found out when he enlisted that he was not a citizen. His mom never told him. Anyways, he served his 4 years honorably, and before getting out, earned his citizenship. I would have followed that man into Hell.

I don't think you would find many people that would disagree with that, but I would probably want more like an 8 year commitment.

brandonjclark 11-11-2017 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Avatar (Post 2498399)
I don't think you would find many people that would disagree with that, but I would probably want more like an 8 year commitment.


I would be behind that for sure, 4 or 8.

The most patriotic you will ever feel is at the end of basic training. They get you really pumped up.


I think it would instill a really good set of personal views towards freedom and the American way.

AlfredT 11-11-2017 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Avatar (Post 2498375)
Might be a good day not to get political and just celebrate veterans too.

You added the burn the jersey bit you hypocritical shithead.

VenomUSMC 11-11-2017 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Avatar (Post 2498399)
I don't think you would find many people that would disagree with that, but I would probably want more like an 8 year commitment.

Most enlistments are 8 year commitments (4 years active, 4 years reserve).

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Originally Posted by Phoenix1985 (Post 2498373)
Might be a good idea to celebrate by not deporting veterans instead, I think.

According to Daily KOS (with my correction in bold):
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Reasons for deportation can vary, and highlight our outdated and broken immigration system. “Legal permanent residents can be deported if they commit certain crimes, including ones that occurred many years in their past,” notes NBC News. Other veterans just assumed that enlisting and serving in the military meant an automatic path to citizenship.

Last year, NPR covered the story of one undocumented illegal immigrant who produced a fake birth certificate in order to enlist during the Iraq War. Daniel Torres was deployed to Fallujah and was readying for a tour in Afghanistan when he lost his wallet. “When he tried to get his ID replaced, his story came apart,” said NPR.
According to the LA Times:
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They call it the bunker.

From the street in this working-class neighborhood, people passing by the two-story house can look through the window and glimpse a peace sign and various iterations of the Stars and Stripes.

The formal name is emblazoned in English on a banner above the entrance: “Deported Veterans Support House.”

It’s a meeting venue, crash pad, information hub and hangout for a distinct group: U.S. military veterans expelled from the very country they served.

Most came to the United States as children and became permanent legal residents before joining the military. But after returning to civilian life they committed crimes that led to deportation.
Per US Citizenship and Immigration Services:
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Naturalization Through Military Service: Fact Sheet
Special provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) authorize U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to expedite the application and naturalization process for current members of the U.S. armed forces and veterans. Generally, qualifying military service includes service with one of the following: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard and National Guard. In addition, spouses of members of the U.S. armed forces who are or will be deployed may be eligible for expedited naturalization. Other provisions of the law also allow certain spouses to complete the naturalization process abroad.

Qualifications

A member of the U.S. armed forces must meet the requirements and qualifications to become a citizen of the United States. He or she must demonstrate:

Good moral character,
Knowledge of the English language,
Knowledge of U.S. government and history (civics), and
Attachment to the principles of the Constitution of the United States by taking an Oath of Allegiance to the United States.
Qualified members of the U.S. armed forces may be exempt from other naturalization requirements, including residence and physical presence in the United States. These exceptions are listed in Sections 328 and 329 of the INA.

All aspects of the naturalization process, including applications, interviews and ceremonies are available overseas to members of the U.S. armed forces and certain “command-sponsored” spouses.

A person who obtains U.S. citizenship through his or her military service and separates from the military under “other than honorable conditions” before completing five years of honorable service may have his or her citizenship revoked.

Service in Peacetime

Section 328 of the INA applies to all members of the U.S. armed forces and those already discharged from service. An individual may qualify for naturalization if he or she has:

Served honorably in the U.S. armed forces for at least one year,
Obtained lawful permanent resident status, and
Meets the other general requirements for naturalization.
Service during Periods of Hostilities

The President signed an executive order on July 3, 2002, authorizing all noncitizens who have served honorably in the U.S. armed forces on or after Sept. 11, 2001, to file for citizenship under section 329 of the INA. Section 329 also covers veterans of certain designated past wars and conflicts. The authorization related to the War on Terrorism will remain in effect until a date designated by a future presidential executive order.

Naturalization at Basic Training

USCIS established the Naturalization at Basic Training Initiative in August 2009 with the Army to give noncitizen enlistees the opportunity to naturalize when they graduate from basic training. Under this initiative, USCIS conducts all naturalization processing including the capture of biometrics, the naturalization interview and administration of the Oath of Allegiance on the military installation. Since 2009 USCIS has expanded the initiative to the Navy, Air Force, and finally to the Marine Corps in 2013, giving enlistees of these branches equal opportunity to (in most cases) leave basic training as U.S. citizens.

How to Apply

Every military installation has a designated point-of-contact, generally in the personnel division or the Judge Advocate General’s Office, to assist members of the military prepare and file their naturalization application packet generally during basic training. That packet includes:

USCIS Form N-400, Application for Naturalization (Members of the military are not charged a fee to file the Form N-400.)
USCIS Form N-426, Request for Certification of Military or Naval Service (The military must certify this form before sending it to USCIS. Individuals separated from the military may submit an uncertified Form N-426 with their DD Form 214.)
Once the packet is complete, send it to the address listed on the form’s web page.

Customer Service to Assist the Military

USCIS customer service specialists are available to respond to inquiries from military members and their families Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. (Central), except federal holidays. Military families may contact USCIS by:

Calling the military toll-free telephone help line -- 1-877-CIS-4MIL (1-877-247-4645), or
Sending an e-mail to the military customer service specialists at: militaryinfo@uscis.dhs.gov.
Posthumous Benefits

Section 329A of the INA provides for grants of posthumous citizenship to certain members of the U.S. armed forces. A member of the U.S. armed forces who served honorably during a designated period of hostility and died as a result of injury or disease incurred in or aggravated by that service (including death in combat) may be eligible to receive posthumous citizenship, as long as the next-of-kin applies for posthumous citizenship within two years of the service member’s death. Other provisions of the law extend immigration benefits to the service member’s surviving spouse, children and parents.
There have long been ways for immigrants to become U.S. citizens through service. Falsifying a birth certificate or committing other crimes which gets someone deported isn't itself a sign of a faulty system. In fact, it's by design. I've served with immigrants who gained their citizenship through service. The military largely works with immigrants to help them gain their citizenship.

JazGalaxy 11-12-2017 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Avatar (Post 2498375)
Might be a good day not to get political and just celebrate veterans too.

Trying to reconcile this with the text in the first post in this thread...

SpectralThundr 11-12-2017 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2498405)
Trying to reconcile this with the text in the first post in this thread...

There isn't a single thing wrong with calling out those who disrespect the flag and in turn the country. There isn't shit political about that, it's just a asshole thing to do to begin with.


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