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BeardedSonOfNel 01-10-2017 06:18 AM

Hacked NES Classic Edition More Than Doubles The Console's Game Count
 
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By plugging the console into a computer using a USB cable — putting it into what is essentially a developer or production mode — and uploading ROMs to the console, it can reasonably run more games than the initial 30 it comes with.

How many more games? One YouTube user managed to load just over 50 games onto his console, including box art. The result is an NES Classic Edition with 84 games in total, nicely organized and still workable as a normal console. Even features like save states still function.
Via Business Insider

BeardedSonOfNel 01-10-2017 06:18 AM


Evil Avatar 01-10-2017 07:08 AM

HaHa! You have to love hackers. Wait till someone figures out how to add some memory to this bad boy.

BeardedSonOfNel 01-10-2017 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Avatar (Post 2468573)
HaHa! You have to love hackers. Wait till someone figures out how to add some memory to this bad boy.

That's when I buy :)

Rommel 01-10-2017 07:19 AM

Still no thanks. The unit design is terrible. With the console buttons being necessary for menu functions, the controller wires being too short for a human being's lap to knee distance and, of course, the locked nature of a emulator device makes the $60 better spent on my usual weekend allotment of hookers and blow. If someone wants to copy that OS design, however, that sounds nice.

Evil Avatar 01-10-2017 07:22 AM

I think were they dropped the ball is not making it a real SNES that can play the old carts. There are still millions of those carts floating around.

JazGalaxy 01-10-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rommel (Post 2468577)
Still no thanks. The unit design is terrible. With the console buttons being necessary for menu functions, the controller wires being too short for a human being's lap to knee distance and, of course, the locked nature of a emulator device makes the $60 better spent on my usual weekend allotment of hookers and blow. If someone wants to copy that OS design, however, that sounds nice.

Making the console necessary for menu functions is the only reasonable way to preserve the integrity of the controller and the console design. Part of the reason why the cords ARE so short is because you need to be next to the console in order to use it to switch games. I'm sure cutting down on the cost of the unit is also an issue.

Personally, I think it's a great bit of tech.

whining about it limitations seems stupid since there are literally dozens if not hundreds of other ways to get what people whine about the NES Mini not doing. They're basically just complaining to complain.

PatrickRes9 01-10-2017 08:31 AM

Yah, the short cord in combination with using the reset button is a clear indicator that the console is supposed to be next to you. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is debatable, but it's amazing that people can't comprehend this, cite both "problems" separately, and fail to put them together. When you move the console next to you, both problems go away and are replaced by the new singular "problem" of having to put the console away when you're done with it. More surprisingly is that Rommel (AKA Jimquisition) couldn't figure that out either.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/rf..._CONSOLE_3.jpg

Something like that ^

Scherge 01-10-2017 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468582)
Personally, I think it's a great bit of tech.

I agree. The nostalgia value is through the roof. I bought one (pre-ordered it and still got it almost a month late) and deposited it at my parents' home. "Donkey Kong" is the only game my father was ever interested in, and we played through that and DK jr., on a TV, with (somewhat) original hardware, which already made the purchase worthwhile. Yeah, yeah, the arcade version had an additional level, but at least we were able to easily complete the game this way.

Its a great little box that fully supports the Wii Pro controller (which definitely feels better than the standard one), and there are no load times, of course. Sure, an extension cord is needed to get some distance from the TV, and the missing manuals are a bummer, but we had a great time just booting up and checking out old games that we only knew from the demo kiosks of the mid-80s.

Of course, a (hackable) SNES Mini would be even better... :rolleyes:

screwyluie 01-10-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickRes9 (Post 2468583)
Yah, the short cord in combination with using the reset button is a clear indicator that the console is supposed to be next to you. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is debatable, but it's amazing that people can't comprehend this, cite both "problems" separately, and fail to put them together. When you move the console next to you, both problems go away and are replaced by the new singular "problem" of having to put the console away when you're done with it. More surprisingly is that Rommel (AKA Jimquisition) couldn't figure that out either.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/rf..._CONSOLE_3.jpg

Something like that ^

what's more surprising is that you just lumped two real problems into one and still think they aren't problems.

so riddle me this, you have a room with a tv in it that's not for kids, flatscreen, hung on the wall on the opposite side of the room... you know like most people. Now you have the choice of running A/V cables across the room so the poorly designed console can sit on the coffee table in front of you and the controller cords reach, or you can get some bar stools and sit ridiculously close to your tv instead of on the couch.

one problem or two doesn't matter how you count it, it's still a fucking poor design. There is absolutely no reason you can't use the controller for everything, there is no excuse to have to hit the buttons on the console except to turn it on and off.

PatrickRes9 01-10-2017 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by screwyluie (Post 2468588)
what's more surprising is that you just lumped two real problems into one and still think they aren't problems.

so riddle me this, you have a room with a tv in it that's not for kids, flatscreen, hung on the wall on the opposite side of the room... you know like most people. Now you have the choice of running A/V cables across the room so the poorly designed console can sit on the coffee table in front of you and the controller cords reach, or you can get some bar stools and sit ridiculously close to your tv instead of on the couch.

one problem or two doesn't matter how you count it, it's still a fucking poor design. There is absolutely no reason you can't use the controller for everything, there is no excuse to have to hit the buttons on the console except to turn it on and off.

I'm not saying it can't be a problem to stretch the A/V cables. If you have kids and what not. That's not what im saying. I'm saying citing having to use the reset button and the short controller are not separate issues. They're related in that the console was designed to be next to you and not necessarily on a tv stand, and both issues CAN be eliminated if you move console closer rather than using a controller extension. Now clearly, moving the console closer could pose a separate problem for some people. Namely if they have kids running around as you suggested. But moving the console closer may not be much of a problem at all for others, and could mitigate the issue of using the reset button and/or short controller cable.

As to why Nintendo didn't bake a reset button into the controller or make the controller wireless, who knows. Authenticity maybe? You did have to walk up to the console to switch games in the past. Maybe they're trying to hold on to as much of the nostalgia as possible. I'm not saying its a great move, Im just saying I don't know what the reasoning was. But being that you use the reset button and you have a short controller, it's clear they designed the console to be next to you, and not necessarily sitting on a TV stand. That's all I'm saying. I didn't actually once ever say it was a great design choice.

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Originally Posted by screwyluie (Post 2468588)
what's more surprising is that you just lumped two real problems into one and still think they aren't problems.

And also, once you lump the "problems" into one other "problem" they aren't problems because it is no longer plural. There is one singular problem. And the reason I won't fully call it a problem is because it wont be a problem for some people to stretch the A/V out. Unlike trying to put the console on a tv stand and suffering both a 3 ft cord or using a controller extender and having to use the reset button, stretching the a/v cables may not be a problem for a lot of people (especially if they don't have kids). Do you think Rommel has kids? (the example person I used in the previous post) I hope not. But luckily, I doubt that he does. So maybe stretching the A/V console out to the coffee table won't be such a problem for some after all. Though I won't argue and am not arguing that it's not the best of design choices and I have no idea why Nintendo made the choice to design the console to be close to you.

Scherge 01-10-2017 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by screwyluie (Post 2468588)
Now you have the choice of running A/V cables across the room so the poorly designed console can sit on the coffee table in front of you and the controller cords reach, or you can get some bar stools and sit ridiculously close to your tv instead of on the couch.

I'm not at all sure whether or not this is a serious discussion, but if it is: I assume neither of you has the device, because
1) It's clearly designed to stand near the TV (there's no power cord, and both the USB and HDMI cables aren't that long), but
2) a simple extension cord for the controller solves the problem.

I got a cheap 6-foot cable, but I'm sure there are longer ones. It feels perfect, as the wired controller actually adds to the nostalgia in my opinion. Also, the Wii Pro controller that I mentioned before actually has the same short connection cable, since it was supposed to be plugged into a Wii remote, so you'll want an extension anyway.

I certainly agree that using those short cords for the new controller was a shoddy design choice by Nintendo, but it really doesn't matter much in the long (hah!) run, because third-party solutions are readily available. One big advantage of the crisp pixel art is that you can easily read the screen from any distance, so there's no need to sit right in front of the TV. And, just for the record: I personally find the implementation of the Reset button much less annoying than the missing manuals.

To sum it up: You want nostalgia, you get the NES Mini. You want convenience, you turn to piracy... or simply don't bother with 30-year-old games.

PatrickRes9 01-10-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scherge (Post 2468593)
I'm not at all sure whether or not this is a serious discussion, but if it is: I assume neither of you has the device, because
1) It's clearly designed to stand near the TV (there's no power cord, and both the USB and HDMI cables aren't that long), but
2) a simple extension cord for the controller solves the problem.

I got a cheap 6-foot cable, but I'm sure there are longer ones. It feels perfect, as the wired controller actually adds to the nostalgia in my opinion. Also, the Wii Pro controller that I mentioned before actually has the same short connection cable, since it was supposed to be plugged into a Wii remote, so you'll want an extension anyway.

I certainly agree that using those short cords for the new controller was a shoddy design choice by Nintendo, but it really doesn't matter much in the long (hah!) run, because third-party solutions are readily available. One big advantage of the crisp pixel art is that you can easily read the screen from any distance, so there's no need to sit right in front of the TV. And, just for the record: I personally find the implementation of the Reset button much less annoying than the missing manuals.

To sum it up: You want nostalgia, you get the NES Mini. You want convenience, you turn to piracy... or simply don't bother with 30-year-old games.

I don't actually have the mini scherge. I assumed based on the design and reports that the controllers were so short AND you needed to hit the reset button to swap games that the console was meant to be next to you. (ie long A/V cables to extend out the console to the coffee table for example) I've seen other old classic consoles designed that way.

Sounds like I was wrong? If I was, now I am completely baffled by some of the design choices.

LostToys 01-10-2017 01:38 PM

To be honest, having short cables was a bad design, even if you think of needing to press the RESET button to access a new game. Did we not swap cartridges in the NES because we had to get up and manually change them? No. Even modern consoles which use wireless controllers still require physical disc swaps if you are still into buying physical.

Even if you discount the short controller cables, HDMI was never really designed to be a connection that allowed for the movement of the device it is connected to. So I would worry about the HDMI cable getting snagged, falling out during gameplay, or just breaking in general over time.

Pumped'Up 01-10-2017 02:06 PM

just spend $60 and get retropie

Anemone 01-10-2017 02:32 PM

I don't understand, the whole point of this device is to not have to hack anything. I already have a NES emulator and every single rom ever created in the NES era and can play anything at will any time, and could easily load those onto a Raspberry pie I have laying around to approximate this device, if so desired.

But I bought a NES Classic to give away as a cool nostalgia piece.

screwyluie 01-10-2017 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scherge (Post 2468593)
1) It's clearly designed to stand near the TV (there's no power cord, and both the USB and HDMI cables aren't that long), but
2) a simple extension cord for the controller solves the problem.

1: that IS the problem, no one sits right next to the TV anymore because you know, HD and all.
2: If you bought a car with nothing but those doughnut spares for tires would you complain? or would you just be like "well if you buy a set of full sized tires it solves the problem". of course you wouldn't because we buy products and expect them to be designed in a somewhat sane manner so they function for most people.

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And also, once you lump the "problems" into one other "problem" they aren't problems because it is no longer plural.
oh come on you'll have to do better than splitting hairs

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They're related in that the console was designed to be next to you and not necessarily on a tv stand, and both issues CAN be eliminated if you move console closer rather than using a controller extension
name one other consumer device made in the last.... 10 years? that requires to you string cables across your living room? even consoles have wireless controllers for this very reason, and the charging cords are like 9 feet long. Do you have a 9 foot hdmi cable on your tv? I doubt it.

This is a poor fucking design. period. I don't give a flying fuck how you pretend to justify it, it's terrible. Is the nes mini terrible? by no means, but the idea that people would huddle around their LCD like we did with an old tube is absolutely absurd.

PatrickRes9 01-10-2017 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by screwyluie (Post 2468667)

This is a poor fucking design. period. I don't give a flying fuck how you pretend to justify it, it's terrible.

Have a beer, dude. I've tried to justify nothing. I thought (mistakenly, which Scherge cleared up) that the A/V cables WOULD be long to make the console a lap or table console. This HAS been a design used before with old retro consoles, (short controller, long A/V and power) and being that the console is so small, the controller cord so short, and the need to use the reset button in existence, I thought this was also the case with the mini, that it was designed to sit on a coffee table for example. That design would negate potentially the problem of the short controller and reset problem IF you're able to stretch the console to your coffee table. Clearly you can't as I've recently learned from those who own the mini. It's not designed to reach your coffee table, it's meant to sit by your TV. I then responded that I am even more baffled by Nintendo's design choice, then. I never said that long A/V cables OR any other design feature of the mini was or would be a good choice. If I couldn't stretch the console to my coffee table (it had to be by the TV) and I got stuck with a 3ft controller, I would be pretty aggravated with it.

JazGalaxy 01-10-2017 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scherge (Post 2468593)
I'm not at all sure whether or not this is a serious discussion, but if it is: I assume neither of you has the device, because
1) It's clearly designed to stand near the TV (there's no power cord, and both the USB and HDMI cables aren't that long), but
2) a simple extension cord for the controller solves the problem.

I got a cheap 6-foot cable, but I'm sure there are longer ones. It feels perfect, as the wired controller actually adds to the nostalgia in my opinion. Also, the Wii Pro controller that I mentioned before actually has the same short connection cable, since it was supposed to be plugged into a Wii remote, so you'll want an extension anyway.

I certainly agree that using those short cords for the new controller was a shoddy design choice by Nintendo, but it really doesn't matter much in the long (hah!) run, because third-party solutions are readily available. One big advantage of the crisp pixel art is that you can easily read the screen from any distance, so there's no need to sit right in front of the TV. And, just for the record: I personally find the implementation of the Reset button much less annoying than the missing manuals.

To sum it up: You want nostalgia, you get the NES Mini. You want convenience, you turn to piracy... or simply don't bother with 30-year-old games.


Well, I do have the console and we played it all christmas long. I used a longer usb cable and set the unit on the coffee table. I worked perfectly. There was never an issue with controller or unit length.

Rommel 01-10-2017 11:28 PM

Wow, I've been busy lately so I haven't been able to read replies to my posts as regularly as usual. When did you all get so stupid? Have you really just been suckling on the teat of my knowledge (Brain nipple) for so long that when I reduce my post count it becomes Lord of the Flies around here? Sweet baby Jesus, I wonder what it is like in those Totally Off Topic threads I never post in--OH GOD!

Okay, let's handle some of team idiocy's comments so that they may once again know the joy of the bounty I provide: A dose of sanity in this zoo.

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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468582)
Making the console necessary for menu functions is the only reasonable way to preserve the integrity of the controller and the console design. Part of the reason why the cords ARE so short is because you need to be next to the console in order to use it to switch games.

You're an idiot, Jaz. I mean, you always were a idiot but lately it seems you've been showing the signs of a degenerative brain condition, such as early onset dementia or horse-kick syndrome. That's the result of being kicked in the head by a horse on a regular basis you horse kicked headcase. Start + Hold Select. Start + Menu Option. There, controller integrity maintained and OS solved by a simple software action. Now I don't need to push the reset button that, on any other electronic in any 2017 home, doesn't require the user to touch the machine.
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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468582)
I'm sure cutting down on the cost of the unit is also an issue.

Yeah, that's far more likely and users have every right to not appreciate the cost saving's impact on the experience.
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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468582)
whining about it limitations seems stupid since there are literally dozens if not hundreds of other ways to get what people whine about the NES Mini not doing. They're basically just complaining to complain.

Who is whining, you imbecile? I replied to Evil that I still wouldn't desire to own it. Do you think that every post on a hobbyist website is whining unless it is gung-ho enthusiastic?

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Originally Posted by PatrickRes9 (Post 2468583)
Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is debatable, but it's amazing that people can't comprehend this, cite both "problems" separately, and fail to put them together.

They are separate problems, specifically because any solution to one does not resolve the other. The third-party controller solutions to the controller's cord on the market today? They don't provide a reset button. A user will still need the unit besides them, even with a wireless controller. If the user wants a controller with a reset button, he or she needs a Wii Pro controller--abandoning the nostalgia of using the original NES design. The two problems are unique, individual and both worthy of inclusion to anyone's opinion of the NES Classic Atari Flashback All-In-One Joystick (Available at the impulse lane at Target) for $60.

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Originally Posted by PatrickRes9 (Post 2468583)
More surprisingly is that Rommel (AKA Jimquisition) couldn't figure that out either.

Why do you think I am Jim Sterling? Also: Do you think that picture paints a good image of the NES Classic or are you being facetious? If the former... ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND THAT LOOKS ATROCIOUS!

If you like this thing and its lack of a proper included power adapter, fine--knock yourselves out. Excuse me while I spend my money on something else. Like hookers... and blow.

JazGalaxy 01-11-2017 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rommel (Post 2468696)
Who is whining, you imbecile? I replied to Evil that I still wouldn't desire to own it. Do you think that every post on a hobbyist website is whining unless it is gung-ho enthusiastic?

By the time I had talked about people whining I had moved on from your specific comment and was talking about my feelings about the console in general.

But, yeah. I feel like people who want it talking about it makes complete sense. People who don't want it either ignore it or say why they don't want it. But people who continually talk about how it's not some other thing, repeatedly are... whining.

alienchild 01-11-2017 12:44 AM

Why have a controller with cable? WHAT THE FUCK!? Get a Raspberry Pi instead and play whatever old console you want. https://retropie.org.uk

Rommel 01-11-2017 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468698)
By the time I had talked about people whining I had moved on from your specific comment and was talking about my feelings about the console in general.

By the time you talked about people whining, exactly one person had commented: Evil, asking for a cart-compatible SNES release. So now you're stupid and a liar.

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But, yeah. I feel like people who want it talking about it makes complete sense. People who don't want it either ignore it or say why they don't want it. But people who continually talk about how it's not some other thing, repeatedly are... whining.
This is a news-based message board. We comment in relation to news stories, such as the news that hackers are expanding on the NES Classic's included game total and how this influence's the product's desirability. In my case, even expanding the ROM list does not make the device desirable. That's not whining, you illiterate troglodyte.

JazGalaxy 01-11-2017 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rommel (Post 2468700)
By the time you talked about people whining, exactly one person had commented: Evil, asking for a cart-compatible SNES release. So now you're stupid and a liar.


This is a news-based message board. We comment in relation to news stories, such as the news that hackers are expanding on the NES Classic's included game total and how this influence's the product's desirability. In my case, even expanding the ROM list does not make the device desirable. That's not whining, you illiterate troglodyte.

Oh go drown yourself asshole.

"whining about it limitations seems stupid since there are literally dozens if not hundreds of other ways to get what people whine about the NES Mini not doing. They're basically just complaining to complain."

See where I put "what people whine about"? I never put Evil and I never put you.

But in your case, if the shoe fits...

You're apparently touchy about it.

Scherge 01-11-2017 05:01 AM

I don't quite understand what everyone's so touchy about. I'll admit that there are some legit complaints, but they're nothing to get your panties in a bunch. Seriously: At 60 dollars, you get some cute Nintendo hardware and a bunch of classic games that would probably run you twice as much in the eShop! And I really appreciate the fact that I can use the Wii controller. What's a 7-euro cable? Remember when you had to buy better AV cables for all your new consoles, because they came with a shitty composite or even RF connector?

The whole point of the NES Mini - at least, for me - is that it is NOT a wireless touch device emulating thousands of old games. If you care about wireless controllers with reset buttons (how often do you reset games in one session, I wonder?), you probably don't care about those ugly 8-bit games with their tinny sound and annoying 2-button control schemes anyway. Go play "Fight Night" instead of "Punch-Out!!", "Elite: Dangerous" instead of "Galaga" and "Mighty No. 9" instead of "Mega Man 2" (heh:-)!

Me, I'm interested in expanding the library, because I was secretly hoping it would contain "Kung Fu" and that simple "Tennis" game. I really liked those 30 years back. Maybe "Xevious" as well, because there's no such thing as too much Xevious.

JazGalaxy 01-11-2017 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Scherge (Post 2468706)
I don't quite understand what everyone's so touchy about. I'll admit that there are some legit complaints, but they're nothing to get your panties in a bunch. Seriously: At 60 dollars, you get some cute Nintendo hardware and a bunch of classic games that would probably run you twice as much in the eShop! And I really appreciate the fact that I can use the Wii controller. What's a 7-euro cable? Remember when you had to buy better AV cables for all your new consoles, because they came with a shitty composite or even RF connector?

The whole point of the NES Mini - at least, for me - is that it is NOT a wireless touch device emulating thousands of old games. If you care about wireless controllers with reset buttons (how often do you reset games in one session, I wonder?), you probably don't care about those ugly 8-bit games with their tinny sound and annoying 2-button control schemes anyway. Go play "Fight Night" instead of "Punch-Out!!", "Elite: Dangerous" instead of "Galaga" and "Mighty No. 9" instead of "Mega Man 2" (heh:-)!

Me, I'm interested in expanding the library, because I was secretly hoping it would contain "Kung Fu" and that simple "Tennis" game. I really liked those 30 years back. Maybe "Xevious" as well, because there's no such thing as too much Xevious.

Kung Fu is kind of a curious omission, in my opinion. I feel like that game holds up rather well.

As for Tennis, that game is indeed great. But they are apparently choosing one game from every year. So we were left with only one or two black box games. Baloon Fighter I don't have much affection for. I never even saw it when I was young. I didn't know it was a thing until Smash Bothers, I think.

PacerDawn 01-11-2017 07:08 AM

My theory on the short cords is that they were going for the complete "mini" experience, and that included making small cables as well. User experience took a back seat to authentic look-n-feel.

Or, they didn't think people would actually hook it up to a high-def TV as it would look like crap. For example:

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Originally Posted by Rommel (Post 2468696)
The two problems are unique, individual and both worthy of inclusion to anyone's opinion of the NES Classic Atari Flashback All-In-One Joystick (Available at the impulse lane at Target) for $60.

I got one of those when it was on sale for $30 at Dollar General. You would think they would at least upscale the graphics, but no. The thing looks like absolute dog-doo, even on a 32" LCD TV. Very disappointing. I should have waited for the portable one.

Rommel 01-11-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468702)
Oh go drown yourself asshole.

May your loved ones die of super AIDS.

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"whining about it limitations seems stupid since there are literally dozens if not hundreds of other ways to get what people whine about the NES Mini not doing. They're basically just complaining to complain."
Dozens of ways to spend money or sweat equity getting a consumer product to function in a comfortable and desirable method? Well gee golly gosh, by that logic there are dozen of ways to replace a crystal on a ring with a diamond but you don't give the Swarovski that credit either, fuckboi. Maybe, just maybe, they're not complaining but merely voicing their view on the matter and your third grade reading comprehension finally died of super AIDS.

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See where I put "what people whine about"? I never put Evil and I never put you.
You responded directly to a quotation from me. ...Oh my goodness, do you not even know what you're doing? Has your grief at watching your last family member whither and die of super AIDS left you in a zombie like state, acting without rationale or memory thereafter? I'm soooooo sooorrry for you. I hope noooooothing else bad happens to you in 2017--beyond my undying lust for your suffering from super AIDS, naturally.

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But in your case, if the shoe fits...

You're apparently touchy about it.
You touch children and give them super AIDS.

AkumaATR 01-11-2017 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468711)
Kung Fu is kind of a curious omission, in my opinion. I feel like that game holds up rather well.

As for Tennis, that game is indeed great. But they are apparently choosing one game from every year. So we were left with only one or two black box games. Baloon Fighter I don't have much affection for. I never even saw it when I was young. I didn't know it was a thing until Smash Bothers, I think.

Remember, third-party licensing was almost definitely a factor in what games they were able to include (they prob. had to come to agreements on licensing costs for some of these games -- maybe the Kung Fu guys (Data East?) wanted more bank than Nintendo was willing to throw their way. Who knows.

screwyluie 01-11-2017 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PacerDawn (Post 2468714)
My theory on the short cords is that they were going for the complete "mini" experience, and that included making small cables as well. User experience took a back seat to authentic look-n-feel.

Or, they didn't think people would actually hook it up to a high-def TV as it would look like crap.

they work with the wiimote, which was a great idea in theory. You can't have 9 feet of cable hanging from your wiimote unless you're playing a jump rope game lol. The short cords make sense when you look at it from their design point of view, but to the consumer not so much. and besides, the classic controller on the wii is better equipped for playing your games, the only thing this is good for is NES games and the wii supports more than nes games.

It was all done in good faith and good ideas but they needed someone to ground them in reality and take a step back to realize that it was never a good idea for the consumer.

Scherge 01-11-2017 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AkumaATR (Post 2468717)
Remember, third-party licensing was almost definitely a factor in what games they were able to include (they prob. had to come to agreements on licensing costs for some of these games -- maybe the Kung Fu guys (Data East?) wanted more bank than Nintendo was willing to throw their way. Who knows.

That thought occurred to me, but if that's indeed the reason, it was probably more of a "who holds the rights today" than a pricing issue. After all, there are a lot of titles from Konami, Namco, Capcom and Squaresoft that must have been a good deal more expensive than "Kung Fu" (developed by Irem, published by Nintendo). I don't know who owned the rights to the NES SKUs back in the 80s, but I'm pretty sure "Final Fantasy", "Mega Man", "Pac-Man", "Contra" and all the others are back with their respective owners by now, and these companies certainly wouldn't just let Nintendo use them for free.

@PacerDawn: The visuals ARE upscaled here and look great (for what they are) from any distance - the device connects to the TV via HDMI.

PatrickRes9 01-11-2017 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rommel (Post 2468696)
Why do you think I am Jim Sterling? Also: Do you think that picture paints a good image of the NES Classic or are you being facetious? If the former... ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND THAT LOOKS ATROCIOUS!

If you like this thing and its lack of a proper included power adapter, fine--knock yourselves out. Excuse me while I spend my money on something else. Like hookers... and blow.

The image is absurd, and paints the exact opposite image I think Nintendo would want to paint. It makes playing the Mini look like a nightmare in first year parenting or something. But I don't care what kind of image the picture paints because I'm not defending Nintendo or any of their design choices.

I was so confident that the short cables in conjunction with having to use the reset button meant Nintendo specifically designed the console to be next to you, perhaps on a coffee table, because no other reason at all could possibly make sense to me as to why they would do short controllers + use reset button, that without even having seen the console, I completely assumed that it being a coffee table console was the ONLY possible explanation, and wanted to use an image that showed the console away from the TV to illustrate this point.

I was actually completely wrong apparently, as scherge says you can not get it away from your TV with the stock components, which means I have no idea what Nintendo was thinking, and in a very Nintendo like move, they did something at random, that makes little sense beyond whatever was going on in their brains during their staff meetings.

On being Jim Sterling...I don't know. I just have this feeling. I feel like there is a fairly high likelyhood of you being Jim Sterling. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It's just the tone I pick up from you. It's Jim Sterling. I actually like the Jimquisition Show. I think he's objective, goes after all dumb ideas equally, and makes pretty strong points. The outfit is a little over the top, but hey, everyone's different.

Scherge 01-11-2017 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickRes9 (Post 2468721)
On being Jim Sterling...I don't know. I just have this feeling. I feel like there is a fairly high likelyhood of you being Jim Sterling. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It's just the tone I pick up from you. It's Jim Sterling. I actually like the Jimquisition Show. I think he's objective, goes after all dumb ideas equally, and makes pretty strong points. The outfit is a little over the top, but hey, everyone's different.

Really? I don't see a lot of similarities. They may both be assholes, but at least Rommel's funny. Oh, and he's OUR asshole. That makes him more interesting by default. ;)

SpectralThundr 01-11-2017 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AkumaATR (Post 2468717)
Remember, third-party licensing was almost definitely a factor in what games they were able to include (they prob. had to come to agreements on licensing costs for some of these games -- maybe the Kung Fu guys (Data East?) wanted more bank than Nintendo was willing to throw their way. Who knows.

Data East went under years ago, their remaining IP is split between a company called G-Mode and a shell corporation called Takutoron Corporation maintained by Data East founder Tetsuo Fukuda who's sued Nintendo in the past but the cases were thrown out of court.

JazGalaxy 01-11-2017 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rommel (Post 2468716)
You responded directly to a quotation from me. ...Oh my goodness, do you not even know what you're doing?

The part where I respond to the quotation from you is the part where I CLEARLY comment on your words. It's pretty evident because I use your own words in my post. Then I transition into my own opinion.

There are things called paragraph breaks. They are used to signal a transition in ideas and a break in commentary on a specific subject.

ElektroDragon 01-11-2017 08:57 PM

Sweeet! Now gotta buy one before Nintendo locks out the hack on newer units.

vallor 01-11-2017 10:26 PM

I liked this better when it was called MAME and ran a bunch more ROMs. Granted the formfactor is cute if you only care about skin deep.

ElektroDragon 01-12-2017 11:41 AM

Holy shit that babay is USING THE FORCE to control what his parents see on screen!

Rommel 01-13-2017 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JazGalaxy (Post 2468791)
The part where I respond to the quotation from you is the part where I CLEARLY comment on your words. It's pretty evident because I use your own words in my post. Then I transition into my own opinion.

There are things called paragraph breaks. They are used to signal a transition in ideas and a break in commentary on a specific subject.

And note that multiple paragraphs within a post are usually each on a the same subject. Example, your last post you moron.

JazGalaxy 01-13-2017 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rommel (Post 2469059)
And note that multiple paragraphs within a post are usually each on a the same subject. Example, your last post you moron.

lol

WHAT?

Is this your weird performance art gibbering again? Because that's not a rule, nor is it a common occurrence.


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