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Old 09-22-2014, 06:43 PM   #61
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Congrats! Where did you buy it and what did it cost you?
From Newegg this past Friday. The retail was $369.99 because it was a non-reference cooler design plus it's overclocked.

Stock reference 970's go around $329.99.

The card runs almost as fast as a Titan/Titan Black, if not faster.
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Old 09-22-2014, 06:58 PM   #62
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You know I'm just having fun with you guys. When these Top-End video cards come out I can't resist the urge to compare them to the cost of a whole (console) system.

Some day soon I'm going to need to upgrade myself. I was getting terrible performance out of Dead Rising 3 on my SLI rig. Is it getting old or is it just that game?

Ran Wolfenstein like a champ. Everything cranked to max and it was smooth as butter.
More like you know you're just talking out of your ass like you always do in PC related threads.
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:28 PM   #63
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Once you factor in the 10$ extra they slap on console games, as opposed to PC's 50, it starts to become very attractive to just get a PC when you find yourself purchasing a lot of new releases.

12 new games a year = 120$ extra a year.

Plus, dollar per dollar, it can be a challenge to beat steam sales.
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:29 PM   #64
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More like you know you're just talking out of your ass like you always do in PC related threads.
Not really. I look up a lot of this stuff and I had a pretty high end system myself for the last few years. (It's finally starting to show its age.) Everything I said about the cost of those 4k monitors is true. They are astoundingly expensive for a good one and the cheap one only does a 30 Hz refresh rate, which will lock in your framerate.

There aren't a lot of games that support 4k without some kind of visual issues.

PC gaming is also expensive. You can build a PC gaming PC for $600, but you are going to get what you pay for. It isn't going to be breaking any records at that price.
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:13 PM   #65
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There is a lot of gamers playing with 5 year old systems now. It's cheap, because the price of games is cheap, it brings the cost down quick. That said a real nice system is $1000 to $1200. If your serious enough... that is even peanuts. But until something comes along that $1200 system has been good for years now.
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:33 PM   #66
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With the cost of games on console vs PC, I'll bet PC gaming is much cheaper during an entire console gen. You aren't paying for online play, you can buy games for like a couple dollars on steam, your computer is used for multiple tasks, so that $1200 isn't really entirely for gaming, maybe half that. Etc.
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:37 PM   #67
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Congrats! Where did you buy it and what did it cost you?
Holy shit! Good for you!
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:50 PM   #68
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I just spent $872 on a new 1440p 144hz gaming monitor... I plan on getting two 980s, maybe 970s depending on SLI scaling, when the version I want is released.


Fuck Consoles
Dude, the formatting on that last line, and the way you just blatantly state it now without even an argument for your feelings, lol, I choked on this milk I am drinking.
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:53 PM   #69
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I own a PS4 but it's a piece of shit I feel disgusted by when I look at as if it were an unwanted child.
h o l y s h i t, cracking me up tonight, i love it
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:59 PM   #70
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Well it's just illumination, for now, but at last SOME voxel tech has been added to a mainstream GPU. Awesome.
Do you get royalities? (just kiddin' with ya brosef)
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:03 PM   #71
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Believe it or not, I picked up another Xbox 360 recently, after having flipped mine and finding that I missed it. I was most excited to build a gaming PC to play Day Z, which I've accepted will never leave beta/be polished, but I'm short on cash for now, so that's going to wait. And with the new consoles, everyone's just going to be waiting for games. So my go-to gaming device for now will be last gen. You can get a good Xbox 360 bundle for $200 now, when they're on sale. I would expect nothing less -- shit is old. :-P :-)
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Old 09-22-2014, 10:02 PM   #72
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Do you get royalities? (just kiddin' with ya brosef)
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:17 PM   #73
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Yeah I am getting one of those 970s as soon as the prices drop a bit in ... the 'Australia Tax' down here is bloody ridiculous ($100 over US prices at retail) so I may be waiting a while. I am really impressed with the performance per Watt.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:30 PM   #74
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I read this thing about them shrinking down vacuum tubes to the size of transistors and that they work 10 times FASTER then actual transistors in this form. And it's power efficient, doesn't require a heating element.

Who would've guessed.

So, hopefully we can see some truly retro triodes in tech like this soon.

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Old 09-23-2014, 06:09 PM   #75
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When they finally shrink down to the 20 or 14 nm manufacturing node, even without changing much from the 9X0 chip architecture, performance per watt is probably going to be amazing. Well I'm excited.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:58 PM   #76
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It may have been said as posts have been added since I read the first 3 pages last night. I just wanted to clarify something. 1080p on console is not the same as 1080p on PC. Textures and such are different and can be absurdly so in some cases. I game on PC and a Xbox one.
I have owned nearly every console ever released so I'm not partial to one or another. Not PS4 or Wii U yet though. I am in the middle of my new PC build now. I5 4670k, Asrock Fatal1ty z97x, 16gb ram and a GTX 970 soon. Old trusty gtx 570 2.5gb may have to endure a bit longer till funds allow.
Anyway as I was saying there are differences and in the cases where there's not or It's slight it is usually because of a shitty port. DR3 anyone?
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Old 09-24-2014, 01:31 AM   #77
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Yeah I am getting one of those 970s as soon as the prices drop a bit in ... the 'Australia Tax' down here is bloody ridiculous ($100 over US prices at retail) so I may be waiting a while. I am really impressed with the performance per Watt.
What are power bills like down under? Electricity is cheap in the U.S., so it is harder for that market to get excited when less pow-wa is needed for desktop components.
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When they finally shrink down to the 20 or 14 nm manufacturing node, even without changing much from the 9X0 chip architecture, performance per watt is probably going to be amazing. Well I'm excited.
You may be waiting a long while for that. Maxwell was supposed to launch only on 20nm process, the GTX 980 is actually a compromise card shipping on 28nm. TSMC cannot currently manufacture those chips for Nvidia's design. I heard some chatter that this is mainly due to Apple monopolizing their current output with their A8 chip, which would be reasonable.
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I5 4670k, Asrock Fatal1ty z97x, 16gb ram and a GTX 970 soon.?
You may want to consider an i7, especially since everything else in that machine sounds future proof for a good five years. We are starting to see games becoming threaded in design, which would mean CPUs actually becoming important again.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:25 AM   #78
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That $424 monitor you just linked to is the one that only does 30 fps.
And I linked to it in response to your horseshit claim that there was no 4K monitor in existence, irrespective of HZ, that can be purchased for less than $1500.

But seeing as you wish to persist with this stupidity and are now claiming that there is no such thing as a 4K 60HZ monitor for less than $1500, here is one for $599.

Given your demonstrated ignorance, I think it is fair to assume that you probably also don't know that VESA has released Display Port standard 1.3 which supports 4K at 120hz. It won't be long until 4K gaming monitors hit the market driving prices even further down.

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The big difference for this conversation is that I didn't have to purchase a new TV. The TV/Monitor I was using for my PS3 works just fine for the PS4. If you want to upgrade your gaming from 1080p to 4k, you are going to have to invest in a new video card and a new monitor.
So following this retarded line of logic, as long as the purchase of a 4K monitor predates the purchase of a more powerful machine capable of gaming at 4K (because a 4K monitor is perfectly capable of running games at 1080P without loss of image quality as interpolation isn't necessary and the image will scale perfectly), then we can exclude the cost of the 4K monitor? Brilliant.

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If you want to play 4k games at something above 30 fps, you are also going to need to spend about $1500 on that monitor.


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Now, with the PS4 and Xbone you are getting 1080p, the same resolution as a gaming PC at a lot less cost.
Funny, I could swear you consistently malign the Xbone for not being able to even run games at 1080P.

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The framerates might be better on the PC (a lot better)
Better frame rates, better textures, better view distances, better anti-aliasing, better load times, better flexibility....but who's counting right?

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but most of the time the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps doesn't really matter as long as the game runs smooth.
Any person who plays fast paced games and owns a 120HZ+ monitor is likely to laugh in the face of anyone who makes such an uniformed claim.

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You know I'm just having fun with you guys.
Having fun or backpedaling and saving face? Its difficult to give someone the benefit of the doubt when 99.5% of the time they post vitriol and flame bait in every PC related thread.

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Everything I said about the cost of those 4k monitors is true.
Nope its not, and you could have worked that out spending 10 seconds googling instead of posting your usual uninformed nonsense.

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There aren't a lot of games that support 4k without some kind of visual issues.
Again, unadulterated rubbish. Just about all modern games will support whatever resolution your machine is capable of outputting unless the devs have imposed a cap on resolution. There might have been visual issues early on owing to driver issues having to deal with MST displays (SST are becoming more commonplace, such as the Samsung U28D590D linked above), but those have long since been resolved.

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PC gaming is also expensive. You can build a PC gaming PC for $600, but you are going to get what you pay for. It isn't going to be breaking any records at that price.
Or you can pay $550 and get a gaming PC on par with both current consoles except useful for something other than gaming. Well look at that, apparently the PS4 isn't capable of running ALL games at 1080P.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:39 AM   #79
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You're wasting your time. Destiny is a prime example of how consoles destroy potential yet people don't understand still. The gaming world is full of fucking mouth breathing stupid pieces of shit who make everything worse for the rest of us and it will not change any time soon. I'm almost out of it entirely since it seems like everything will only get worse from here on out since the younger developers are incompetent and people eat up shit. We're in the middle of a great decline not in the profitability of gaming but in the quality of actual game play.
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:14 AM   #80
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I was doing most of my gaming on a PS3, it doesn't look outdated from where I'm sitting.

As I've said before, spending a huge amount of money on a PC only gets you a gaming system that runs games in the same resolution as on the PS4. (1080p)

You probably get double the framerate if you are using a good video card, but you don't get higher resolution unless you are spending $1500+ on a monitor alone.

It's not smart money.
Im playing all the games I want (D:OS, War Thunder) at max settings on a $300 computer with a $130 card. All in Canadian$

Oh and I am playing on a shitty 1st gen HDMI input tv and still looks great. The only console I have and I intend to replace (with the same one) is a dreamcast. Why, because I love the goddamn thing thats why.

So fuck your its not smart money.

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