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Old 06-23-2018, 07:46 PM   #81
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This didn't happen before to this extent. This divisiveness. You could talk to someone who didn't like TPM and talk about the Film. But now, if you don't like this movie you are labeled as a bigot/racist/misogynist etc. kinda like what happened with Ghostbuster 2016.
Uh what? That Ghostbusters movie was garbage, and critics weren't afraid to say so: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016

No one thinks you're a bigot for not liking TLJ, unless your reason is that it didn't have enough white people or something weird and actually racist.
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Old 06-23-2018, 07:47 PM   #82
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I've linked to the data disproving your assertions
You definitely haven't, and trying to stop economic forces through personal actions is like fighting the waves in the ocean.

Unless your "data" is weird diatribes comparing climate science to religion and other crazy shit that has nothing to do with science at all. It's like you think you can disprove relativity by assassinating Einstein's character. The temperature of the earth is not subjective, neither is the current ppm of CO2 or the current amount of ice in the arctic.
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Old 06-23-2018, 08:45 PM   #83
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Next time you think of TLJ, just be happy it isn't a movie about micro midi-chlorians or whatever the fuck George Lucas is talking about here:

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/geo...ix-1201974276/
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Old 06-23-2018, 08:54 PM   #84
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You definitely haven't
Okay.

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trying to stop economic forces through personal actions is like fighting the waves in the ocean.
So it's the end of the world, but you're off the hook. NICE! You'll fit right in with the rest of the screeching progressive crowd.

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The temperature of the earth is not subjective
Global 'warming' statistically stopped in 1997.

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neither is the current ppm of CO2
CO2 is not a problem at current...or even much higher...levels.

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or the current amount of ice in the arctic.
Arctic sea ice growing, has doubled in extent in last ten years.

So what are you doing to SAVE THE PLANET?
And why are you such a terrible liar?
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:00 PM   #85
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<<I live in Arizona, so I can honestly tell you that Global warming is a lie. We are the hottest state in the country so if the temperature of the planet was getting warmer, then we would be feeling it here first and it just isnt happening.>>

What in the world makes you think if the world was getting warmer "you'd be feeling it there first?" What is it about Arizona that gives you first dibs on warming temps?


<<It was hotter here in the summer back in the 80s than it is now. If anything, I have seen average temperatures during our summer drop by about 5 degrees.>>

Are you saying that data proves that the avg summer temp in AZ is five degrees cooler than it was in the 80s? Or is that your "feels like" temp?


<<Al Gore said that Florida would be under water by 2010. LOL.>>

Yes, that is funny. He said no such thing.

<<People who have their livelihood invested in lying to you will lie to you.>>

I wonder if you've considered that the people telling you climate change does not exist might have their own financial incentive to do so.
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:22 PM   #86
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Gentleman, to your corners. Remember why we are here: to answer one question. Star Wars: Great Movie, or Greatest Movie?
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:27 PM   #87
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Okay.



So it's the end of the world, but you're off the hook. NICE! You'll fit right in with the rest of the screeching progressive crowd.



Global 'warming' statistically stopped in 1997.



CO2 is not a problem at current...or even much higher...levels.



Arctic sea ice growing, has doubled in extent in last ten years.

So what are you doing to SAVE THE PLANET?
And why are you such a terrible liar?
I will look at more of these later but in 2018 it is very clearly below the trend line here:



If you do a trend line going even farther back it is even worse:



Also this CO2 source is crazy. Who gives a fuck about dinosaurs. At 1000 ppm CO2 starts causing noticeable effects in humans. At 2000 it causes headaches and other effects. I am not a dinosaur or a plant and I don't want to suffer from co2 poisoning....

https://www.kane.co.uk/knowledge-cen...d-co2-in-rooms
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:30 PM   #88
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Al Gore, Earth in the Balance published in 1992:

“Because of the rising sea level, due to global warming, in the next few decades … up to 60 percent of the present population of Florida may have to be relocated,”

Well gosh, Al...that turned out to be a really shitty prediction, lol.
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Old 06-23-2018, 09:35 PM   #89
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At 1000 ppm CO2 starts causing noticeable effects in humans. At 2000 it causes headaches and other effects.
More bullshit from you.

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LOAEL as the basis for the CEGL and adjusting it with an uncertainty factor of 3 for limited data on the effects of longer-term exposure yields a 90-day CEGL of 8,000 ppm. The subcommittee does not expect that a 8,000-ppm level will cause long-term neurobehavioral changes given the work of Storm and Giannetta (1974), which included exposures at up to 40,000 ppm for durations of up to two weeks and reported no significant adverse effects on several psychometric tests. The subcommittee also considers a 8,000-ppm level to be protective against other end points, such as headache and metabolic and acid-base changes, that have been studied.

The subcommittee considered the potential secondary effects of hyperventilation associated with CO2 inhalation. The research cited above offers little information directly pertinent to that issue. There is no evidence that dyspnea and intercostal pain are time dependent. Although the NOAEL for 30 days is 28,000 ppm, hyperventilation and associated symptoms occur at lower levels. Under most conditions, CO2-induced hyperventilation is not harmful, and it is an adaptive response when oxygen is displaced by CO2 at an abnormally high level. The secondary toxic effects of CO2-induced hyperventilation that should be considered include (1) discomfort associated with extreme hyperventilation, (2) impairment of ability to exercise or to take on an extreme workload, and (3) increased inhalation of toxicants.

Sinclair et al. (1969) reported that four subjects exposed to CO2 at 28,000 ppm for 30 days and another four subjects exposed to CO2 at 39,000 ppm for 11 days tolerated hyperventilation “without apparent difficulty.” Radziszewski et al. (1988) and Guillerm and Radziszewski (1979) found no symptoms in six subjects exposed to CO2 at 20,000 ppm for 30 days, although minute-volumes increased about 40% during the first several days of the study. Sinclair et al. (1971) found that four male subjects could perform 45 min of light, moderate, and heavy steady-state exercise twice daily during a 15-20 day exposure to CO2 at 28,000 ppm.

The possibility of increased inhalation of other toxicants as a result of CO2-induced hyperventilation must be addressed. In Pingree (1977), minute-volumes rose 30% by day 4 and returned to baseline by day 8 of a 44-day study in 15 subjects exposed to CO2 at 10,000 ppm. A 30% increase in ventilation is modest in comparison with increases normally associated with exercise (for example, about 180% increase with light exercise) (Sinclair et al. 1971). Because CO2-induced changes disappear within a few days, no significant increases in toxicant exposures are expected (NRC 1996).
8,000 ppm is the first range where ANYTHING can possibly occur, with tens of thousands necessary. Your 5,000 workplace designation is a UK policy to provide a buffer before hitting the 8,000 ppm potential for danger.

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Old 06-23-2018, 09:41 PM   #90
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Uh what? That Ghostbusters movie was garbage, and critics weren't afraid to say so: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016
lolwut, were you beneath a rock before the movie came out? everyone that didn't like the trailer was labeled as sexist.

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you don't hang around the internet much do you?
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Old 06-23-2018, 11:52 PM   #91
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Your 5,000 workplace designation is a UK policy to provide a buffer before hitting the 8,000 ppm potential for danger.
5000 is an osha rule...

Yes we could expose ourselves to low level poison all the time and not die immediately.

You are talking about everyone being exposed to a very unpleasant and unhealthy level of CO2 all the time. Here is the wisconsin department of health:

https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/chemic...bondioxide.htm

1,000 - 2,000 ppm: level associated with complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
2,000 - 5,000 ppm: level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.
5,000 ppm: this indicates unusual air conditions where high levels of other gases could also be present. Toxicity or oxygen deprivation could occur. This is the permissible exposure limit for daily workplace exposures.
40,000 ppm: this level is immediately harmful due to oxygen deprivation.


How about we look at a source that isn't from 20+ years ago like all of your CO2 stuff is.

https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/15-10037/



Look at that, exposure over 1000 ppm fucks your shit up because it is low level poison.

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Old 06-23-2018, 11:58 PM   #92
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lolwut, were you beneath a rock before the movie came out? everyone that didn't like the trailer was labeled as sexist.
to be fair, this trailer is a lot better than the actual movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:12 AM   #93
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5000 is an osha rule..
Your link was to a UK site discussing designated UK rules, dumbass. Know your source material! Also, that's a government policy set lower than necessary in order to provide a buffer before the danger zone.

You're also still wrong that our current CO2 levels are THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!, lulz.

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LOAEL as the basis for the CEGL and adjusting it with an uncertainty factor of 3 for limited data on the effects of longer-term exposure yields a 90-day CEGL of 8,000 ppm. The subcommittee does not expect that a 8,000-ppm level will cause long-term neurobehavioral changes given the work of Storm and Giannetta (1974), which included exposures at up to 40,000 ppm for durations of up to two weeks and reported no significant adverse effects on several psychometric tests. The subcommittee also considers a 8,000-ppm level to be protective against other end points, such as headache and metabolic and acid-base changes, that have been studied.

The subcommittee considered the potential secondary effects of hyperventilation associated with CO2 inhalation. The research cited above offers little information directly pertinent to that issue. There is no evidence that dyspnea and intercostal pain are time dependent. Although the NOAEL for 30 days is 28,000 ppm, hyperventilation and associated symptoms occur at lower levels. Under most conditions, CO2-induced hyperventilation is not harmful, and it is an adaptive response when oxygen is displaced by CO2 at an abnormally high level. The secondary toxic effects of CO2-induced hyperventilation that should be considered include (1) discomfort associated with extreme hyperventilation, (2) impairment of ability to exercise or to take on an extreme workload, and (3) increased inhalation of toxicants.

Sinclair et al. (1969) reported that four subjects exposed to CO2 at 28,000 ppm for 30 days and another four subjects exposed to CO2 at 39,000 ppm for 11 days tolerated hyperventilation “without apparent difficulty.” Radziszewski et al. (1988) and Guillerm and Radziszewski (1979) found no symptoms in six subjects exposed to CO2 at 20,000 ppm for 30 days, although minute-volumes increased about 40% during the first several days of the study. Sinclair et al. (1971) found that four male subjects could perform 45 min of light, moderate, and heavy steady-state exercise twice daily during a 15-20 day exposure to CO2 at 28,000 ppm.

The possibility of increased inhalation of other toxicants as a result of CO2-induced hyperventilation must be addressed. In Pingree (1977), minute-volumes rose 30% by day 4 and returned to baseline by day 8 of a 44-day study in 15 subjects exposed to CO2 at 10,000 ppm. A 30% increase in ventilation is modest in comparison with increases normally associated with exercise (for example, about 180% increase with light exercise) (Sinclair et al. 1971). Because CO2-induced changes disappear within a few days, no significant increases in toxicant exposures are expected (NRC 1996).
5,000 is the workplace limit. 8,000 is when trouble potentially begins.

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Anything is TOXIC beyond proper amounts, including water, etc.., but in safe amounts CO2 is PLANT FOOD. 1,000 ppm does not "fuck your shit up" lol. Science. You're doing it wrong.
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:52 AM   #94
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They need to dump 7-9 and replace it with the Thrawn Trilogy. They could use CGI for young versions of all the main characters and I wouldn't complain one bit.
Loved the Thrawn trilogy, why they chose to ignore it and make the garbage they did boggles the mind.
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Your studies that are 40-60 years old and include no cognitive tests during actual exposure look great. My favorite part in addition to how dated these studies are is how extremely tiny the sample sizes are.

On top of that they don't even seem to test for decreased cognitive performance during exposure.

Why are we even talking about creating a future that will be so unpleasant for everyone. Is OSHA lying when they say:

1,000 - 2,000 ppm: level associated with complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
2,000 - 5,000 ppm: level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.

That would be pretty shitty if when you go outside that is how the world is all the time.
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Your studies
Stop beclowning yourself, lol. As you said previously:

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5000 is an osha rule...

...exposure over 1000 ppm fucks your shit up because it is low level poison.
Amazing how the UK and US mandate a cap of 5,000 ppm in the workplace, but you say that 1,000 ppm "fucks your shit up" lol. You're a clown with that 'logic.' Seriously. Your grasp of the science IS. A. JOKE.

2010: William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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We try to keep CO2 levels in our U.S. Navy submarines no higher than 8,000 parts per million, about 20 times current atmospheric levels. Few adverse effects are observed at even higher levels.
Nuclear (powered and weaponized!) submarines with atmospheric CO2 at up to 8-10,000 ppm! WE'RE DOOOOOOOMED!



* Dr. Happer's background: " I have spent my professional life studying the interactions of visible and infrared radiation with gases – one of the main physical phenomena behind the greenhouse effect. I have published over 200 papers in peer reviewed scientific journals. I am a member of a number of professional organizations, including the American Physical Society and the National Academy of Sciences. I have done extensive consulting work for the US Government and Industry. I also served as the Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy (DOE) from 1990 to 1993, where I supervised all of DOE’s work on climate change.

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Stop beclowning yourself, lol. As you said previously:



Amazing how the UK and US mandate a cap of 5,000 ppm in the workplace, but you say that 1,000 ppm "fucks your shit up" lol. You're a clown with that 'logic.' Seriously. Your grasp of the science IS. A. JOKE.

2010: William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Nuclear (powered and weaponized!) submarines with atmospheric CO2 at up to 8-10,000 ppm! WE'RE DOOOOOOOMED!



* Dr. Happer's background: " I have spent my professional life studying the interactions of visible and infrared radiation with gases one of the main physical phenomena behind the greenhouse effect. I have published over 200 papers in peer reviewed scientific journals. I am a member of a number of professional organizations, including the American Physical Society and the National Academy of Sciences. I have done extensive consulting work for the US Government and Industry. I also served as the Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy (DOE) from 1990 to 1993, where I supervised all of DOEs work on climate change.

Eats climate science background: -------------
Keep in mind the entire global warming scam ignores the entire history of the Earth's changing temperatures. So it isn't really surprising that a globalwarming cultist, like Eats would continue to try and bullshit his way through.
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I thought the TLJ was awesome, I don't get the hate.
People get pretty dumb when Star Wars isn't 100 percent what they want. See the people who thought a remake would be a good idea.

No idea where this thread has gone in the meantime though. Global warming denialists and Star Wars remake fans may just be on the same level of stupid I guess.
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Amazing how the UK and US mandate a cap of 5,000 ppm in the workplace, but you say that 1,000 ppm "fucks your shit up" lol.
Because working in coal mines is perfectly safe, and no workplaces ever expose their employees to hazardous chemicals.

Can humans survive being exposed to low level poisons? Yes
Do we want to expose all humans to low level poison? No

It is really that simple and if you weren't an insane partisan this wouldn't be a conversation about how it would just be great if we exposed everyone to high levels of CO2 even though we can observe cognitive deficits in those conditions, and it is unpleasant to be in a stuffy room so why would we want a future where everyone is forever stuck in a stuffy room?

Here is another study: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ber-180948052/
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Because you've beclowned yourself, but feel free to double and triple down!

CO2 is perfectly fine up to 5,000 ppm (conservatively, even according to your own OSHA and UK government safety limits, lol!) but in actuality all the way up to 10,000 ppm OR MORE is fine, lol. So says the studies I've linked, the data I've linked, and actual scientists in the field. You went from "fucks your shit up" to "a stuffy room" with your fake 'end of the world at 1,000 ppm limit.' lulz.

Dr. Happer's of Princeton: "We try to keep CO2 levels in our U.S. Navy submarines no higher than 8,000 parts per million, about 20 times current atmospheric levels. Few adverse effects are observed at even higher levels....I have spent my professional life studying the interactions of visible and infrared radiation with gases – one of the main physical phenomena behind the greenhouse effect. I have published over 200 papers in peer reviewed scientific journals. I am a member of a number of professional organizations, including the American Physical Society and the National Academy of Sciences. I have done extensive consulting work for the US Government and Industry. I also served as the Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy (DOE) from 1990 to 1993, where I supervised all of DOE’s work on climate change.

Eats climate science background: -------------.

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