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Old 12-05-2016, 11:07 PM   #1
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A Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition Upgrade Offer is "Not Possible," Says Gearbox Boss


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Bulletstorm, developed by Epic and People Can Fly, and published by Electronic Arts, was originally released in 2011. Despite being a very decent (and pleasingly ridiculous) shooter, it wasn't exactly a runaway hit, and so there was never any sort of follow-up—until last week, that is, when Gearbox announced the Full Clip Edition at The Game Awards. It's not a sequel, unfortunately, but a remaster of the original, which led some people to wonder if owners of the original would get it as a free, or heavily discounted, upgrade.

Alas, the short answer is "no." Gearbox boss Randy Pitchford took to Twitter shortly after the announcement to explain that it's "not possible" to offer the remade game as an upgrade. "Completely different publisher, era, platform (they were Games for Windows only), product/sku, etc." he wrote. He also addressed an unflattering comparison with the recently-released Darksiders Warmastered Edition, a new version of the game that was given freely to owners of the original release.

"Someone else's game being a rebuilt/remastered/enhanced game over something previously offered by a different publisher," he continued. "Nordic bought entire rights past-future from a defunct publisher. This is a very different situation."

Clearly not everyone is happy about it, especially in light of the precedent set by Darksiders Warmastered or BioShock: The Collection, which was offered to owners of the originals as a straight-up freebie.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:28 AM   #2
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This is entitled gamer BS. You bought the game you got. If they choose to do attritional work on the game, there is no onus on them to give it to you for free.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:40 AM   #3
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A friend gifted me the original on steam, but I never got around to playing it. I may pick it up, but I will wait for a sale. It may be fun to play as Duke, Got to be better than Duke Nukem 4 was.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:57 AM   #4
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As long as its not a full-priced product I have no problem with them charging for a slightly upgraded version. What THQ Nordic has been doing with giving their games away is just maddness. Both Darkstalkers games as well as an Anniversary Edition of Titan Quest - for free!?

I haven't played the Darkstalkers games yet but I can absolutely recommend the Titan Quest Anniversary Edition for anyone who want to play an old-school Diablo clone that works perfectly on a modern system.
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Old 12-06-2016, 02:23 AM   #5
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As long as its not a full-priced product I have no problem with them charging for a slightly upgraded version.
Well, apparently it is...
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Old 12-06-2016, 02:28 AM   #6
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For the PC version that can have any resolution already? Why would anyone pay that?
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Old 12-06-2016, 03:51 AM   #7
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Played through it once but would like to play it again, at a reduced price, so I'll wait until it drops to £5 on steam. I see no issue... Just wait for the price to fall.

P.s. Should really have been released at a slightly reduced price.
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:16 AM   #8
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We're dealing with different companies, different strategies, different pricing models and different situations.

Gearbox is not, in any capacity whatsoever, obligated to give this away for free.
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:24 AM   #9
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What about checking with steam owners of pre-orderd copies of Aliens Colonial Marines and offering them a discount then Randy

No-one is asking for a free copy, But as owners of the original, Would it hurt to offer some goodwill in providing a discount to people that own gearbox games then.

Steam offer those options to check account history and library and make that easy.
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:34 AM   #10
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What about checking with steam owners of pre-orderd copies of Aliens Colonial Marines and offering them a discount then Randy

No-one is asking for a free copy, But as owners of the original, Would it hurt to offer some goodwill in providing a discount to people that own gearbox games then.

Steam offer those options to check account history and library and make that easy.
Discounts isn't what is being discussed, though. People are getting huffy because Gearbox aren't giving this away for free to people who bought a game six years ago when it was published by an entirely different company.

They're under no obligation to offer it as a free upgrade, nor are they obligated to offer it at a discount. I've bought plenty of games from the same publishers over the years, but I never once expected any sort of discount simply because I've purchased a number of their products.
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For 5-10 I would purchase this. Now i'll be waiting for this to hit the ol bargin bin
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:46 AM   #12
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Discounts isn't what is being discussed, though. People are getting huffy because Gearbox aren't giving this away for free to people who bought a game six years ago when it was published by an entirely different company.
Well, the way I read it, people would be content with a discount. Which, to quote the original post and thereby Randy Pitchford, is "not possible":

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I believe/hope that people are discussing the "not possible" part, not the "not willing to do it" part.
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:56 AM   #13
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How many owners of the original Bulletstorm bought it for a bargain bin rate too? I absolutely understand why this should not be given away but Randy should have anticipated this expectation given the precedent set by other games.
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Well, the way I read it, people would be content with a discount. Which, to quote the original post and thereby Randy Pitchford, is "not possible":



I believe/hope that people are discussing the "not possible" part, not the "not willing to do it" part.
The "upgrade" in question is in reference to a "free upgrade", similar to what happened with the new edition of Darksiders.

People are getting huffy because they're not getting it for free. Nobody is really talking about a discount...unless, of course, you're considering "100% Off" to be a legitimate discount.

The discussion is about a "free upgrade", not offering a discounted price. Pitchford is saying it's not possible to offer a free upgrade, which people are rapidly beginning to expect and demand when it comes to things like this.
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Well, the way I read it, people would be content with a discount. Which, to quote the original post and thereby Randy Pitchford, is "not possible":



I believe/hope that people are discussing the "not possible" part, not the "not willing to do it" part.
even saying they would be "content" with a discount is bizarre and entitled on their part. To say they are "content" is to suggest that they are owed something.

It's like people feel like buying a game is buying stock in a game, these days. As though they are now "part of the team" and that Gearbox has a perpetual obligation to make them happy.

They bought the disc the game came on. Nothing more. As Chimp says, there is no obligation to give them anything further. Discount or no discount.
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Gearbox owes the public more than they can ever pay back. They stole Sega's money and didn't even spend it on development of Aliens Colonial Marines and then they took a giant shit in the mouth of the gaming public by releasing Duke Nukem Forever.

This will be the same thing. Anyone who pays for products from this company is an outright fool.
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Why does everyone still blame Gearbox for Duke Nukem being a pile of crap? They purchased it out of failure and just shoved it out the door with a little polish on it so the public could actually experience the anticipated game that was pretty much doomed to vaporware if they hadn't acted. It's not like they developed it from scratch.

They are on the hook for Colonial Marines, though. That was a complete fuckup.
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Why does everyone still blame Gearbox for Duke Nukem being a pile of crap? They purchased it out of failure and just shoved it out the door with a little polish on it so the public could actually experience the anticipated game that was pretty much doomed to vaporware if they hadn't acted. It's not like they developed it from scratch.
'Round these here parts, it's likely because Evil is still grinding an ax over Randy Pitchford; he used to actually post here back when Borderlands was about to launch. After some shitty behavior from certain folks here, Pitchford took his ball and left. Ever since, Evil has been exceptionally critical of Pitchford and Gearbox.

The fact of the matter is they took a half-baked game that was never going to see the light of day, stitched it together as best they could and actually managed to release it to the public. The final product was about as good as everyone expected it to be.

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Absolutely; they completed dropped the ball with that game. I'm still not going to write them off because of one (albeit major) misstep. They don't owe the public anything.
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'Round these here parts, it's likely because Evil is still grinding an ax over Randy Pitchford; he used to actually post here back when Borderlands was about to launch. After some shitty behavior from certain folks here, Pitchford took his ball and left. Ever since, Evil has been exceptionally critical of Pitchford and Gearbox.

The fact of the matter is they took a half-baked game that was never going to see the light of day, stitched it together as best they could and actually managed to release it to the public. The final product was about as good as everyone expected it to be.



Absolutely; they completed dropped the ball with that game. I'm still not going to write them off because of one (albeit major) misstep. They don't owe the public anything.
I was actually really disappointed in Duke Forever. I was one of the people who was probably most excited for it, though. I used to frequent the 3D Realms board and post regularly back in, what, 2002 or so.

I was disappointed that they tried to make it "modern" more than sticking with the original concept which would have played better.

I was also disappointed in the "Duke is a massive sleazebag and everyone loves him" thing. I see people all over the tenement saying, "well that's Duke" but they forget that none of the other games had people in them, for all intents and purposes. Duke only talked to himself and outside of "shake it baby", he never really talked about women at all.

The whole "Duke is so awesome!" thing only works in a game that is actually awesome. It really dragged DNF down.
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I was actually really disappointed in Duke Forever. I was one of the people who was probably most excited for it, though. I used to frequent the 3D Realms board and post regularly back in, what, 2002 or so.
There was absolutely no possible way the game was going to be good. It had taken far too long and changed far too many times throughout it's storied development to be anything other than mediocre.

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Which "original concept"? The game was in development for 15 years and changed engines at least three times.

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I was also disappointed in the "Duke is a massive sleazebag and everyone loves him" thing. I see people all over the tenement saying, "well that's Duke" but they forget that none of the other games had people in them, for all intents and purposes. Duke only talked to himself and outside of "shake it baby", he never really talked about women at all.

The whole "Duke is so awesome!" thing only works in a game that is actually awesome. It really dragged DNF down.
This aspect of Duke's character really came about because of the spin-off games, such as Time to Kill, Land of the Babes and Manhattan Project; these games cranked his sleaziness up to 11 and were ultimately responsible for helping to build what we now recognize as "Duke Nukem". Although the wait for Duke Nukem Forever was extremely protracted, there was plenty of Duke throughout the late 90's.

To be fair, the "Why I'm So Great" autobiography he signs at the beginning of Forever actually made it's first appearance in Duke Nukem II, back when the series was still a platformer. They've been increasing the sleaze and ego ever since.
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