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Old 06-18-2018, 03:57 PM   #1
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Concern rises over World Health Organisation's new "gaming disorder"


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A "gaming disorder" could become a proper medical condition should a draft of the updated International Classification of Diseases manual be approved unamended roughly a year from now.

A proposed definition of "gaming disorder" appeared in the newest version of the International Classification of Diseases - the 11th revision of which is in development and has been for a few years - published this morning.

The 10th revision of the ICD, implemented by many countries in their national health policies, is 26 years old, having been approved in 1992. We first heard word of its inclusion back in January this year.

The current version of ICD-11 defines "gaming disorder" as:

"Characterised by a pattern of persistent or recurrent gaming behaviour, which may be online or offline, manifested by: 1) impaired control over gaming (e.g., onset, frequency, intensity, duration, termination, context); 2) increasing priority given to gaming to the extent that gaming takes precedence over other life interests and daily activities; and 3) continuation or escalation of gaming despite the occurrence of negative consequences.

"The behaviour pattern is of sufficient severity to result in significant impairment in personal, family, social, educational, occupational or other important areas of functioning. The pattern of gaming behaviour may be continuous or episodic and recurrent. The gaming behaviour and other features are normally evident over a period of at least 12 months in order for a diagnosis to be assigned, although the required duration may be shortened if all diagnostic requirements are met and symptoms are severe."

The Department of Health & Social Care told me today it welcomes the inclusion of "gaming disorder" in the ICD.

"Very large numbers of people play games on- and off-line," a spokesperson said. "For the vast majority it is a recreational activity. But research shows that for a small number their gaming can become harmful, or an addiction.
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Old 06-18-2018, 04:18 PM   #2
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Gaming disorder should apply to anyone who plays exclusively multiplayer games like MMOs, MOBAs, and Battle Royales.
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Old 06-18-2018, 04:39 PM   #3
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I feel like "Social Media Disorder" should also be a thing.

You have dip-shits who can't stay away from their phone for 2 minutes... even when driving. I've also read that getting likes on a picture (Facebook, Instagram, etc.) causes a significant amount of dopamine to be released. I mean, that's essentially why people like cocaine.
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Old 06-18-2018, 05:05 PM   #4
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the DSM 5 listed Internet Gaming Disorder as an item for future study a few years ago (not a recognized disorder, but something to research). WHO is just moving ahead with the new ICD.

Boring fact - US psychiatrists use DSM criteria to diagnose mental illness, but billing codes have to be entered as ICD when submitting to insurance.
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Old 06-18-2018, 05:17 PM   #5
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I completely agree with you, social media disorder should definitely be addressed.
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Old 06-18-2018, 05:39 PM   #6
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You can't make money if you can't label it: prescriptions, lawsuits, 'gov't funded research,' etc.
You can't be a victim if you can't label it: 'The ADA says I have a right to your money for my disease, so gimme!'
You can't scream for 'gummit action!' if you can't label it.
You can't restrict others' freedoms without a label to do it.

Noise, noise, more fucking noise. Committees, commissions, papers, publications, money, conferences, flights, more money, 'intelligent' people with lots of elitist degrees, blah blah blah.

Nonsense.
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This ultimately isn't any different from a gambling disorder or other addictive behaviors.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:22 PM   #9
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I have a reading disorder and watching food network tv disorder.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:57 PM   #10
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There's definitely an addiction relating to video gaming. I've had to look at myself in the mirror and recognize that it affects my life negatively, despite how much I enjoy it. I was able to stop smoking cold turkey but I can't stay away from gaming.

But past myself, as a leader in the military I've seen it have tremendously negative impacts on our young service members, officer and enlisted alike. I'm studying at the Defense Language Institute now and they list their biggest reason for new soldiers failing out of language school as "playing too many video games." Young adults are throwing away their careers and tons of money in bonus pay, by the hundreds every year... to play video games.

I don't care what your flavor of politics are, that's a serious force generation problem which in turn creates a serious national security issue.
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:03 AM   #11
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The safest way to stop playing too many video games is working in the video games industry. At least, that's what happened to me. Most people I know (and certainly most people on my rather short friends lists) spend way more time in front of actual games than I do, and my backlog is legendary. Quite often I just can't bring myself to start a game - even one I really enjoy - when I get home after analyzing and reviewing other, crappier games all day.

That said, I agree with others here when they say that social media might be the bigger problem. I know I'm sounding like a cranky old man, but whenever I look around in a subway train, 50 or more percent of the passengers seem to stare at a small screen (more if you include people who listen to music), and only very few of them seem to be playing a game. Sure, you're "safe" on a train compared to "while driving a car", but these people are often completely oblivious to their surroundings, and that's a bad trend in my opinion.
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This ultimately isn't any different from a gambling disorder or other addictive behaviors.
Therefore ignore the warnings.....

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Therefore ignore the warnings.....

Carry on.
I wouldn't say ignoring them is necessarily a great idea, but "gaming disorder" really wouldn't be fundamentally different from the other non-substance addictive behaviors.
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I wouldn't say ignoring them is necessarily a great idea, but "gaming disorder" really wouldn't be fundamentally different from the other non-substance addictive behaviors.
Treating the symptom instead of the disease is very popular. Mechanically speaking, based on the studies I've seen on addiction, it is the same story regardless of the substance or activity when you look at the brainwave activity. Gambling, porn, substance abuse.

The questions really should be "why" the reason for the self-destructive behavior; not in what way is the addiction manifesting. The treatment may be context sensitive but without solving for the why problems will never get better.

To focus on the manifestation is already too late. Video games and porn, having been ubiquitous during the lifetime of these kids as they grew up, as well as lax parental oversight, likely has a big effect in activating addictive behavior sooner than otherwise would have been noticed in the bad ol' days when gambling, drinking, smoking, and drugs or more common addictions would have been picked up.

I have a serious question for you though. Why do you (and Whim, and others) bother replying to Black?

I know why Terran does, cause he's trying to get a rise out of him. I know why I do, because if I squint and peak around a couple city blocks while wearing a big pair of Elton John sunglasses with big kaleidoscopes built in to the lenses I can sometimes see what he sees.

I don't know why anyone else bothers.

Also, why do you (and others) bother engaging Terran and Spectral? After around 20 years on this board I've never seen a negative feedback loop so strong. Just asking since we're on the subject of addictive behaviors...
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Also, why do you (and others) bother engaging Terran and Spectral? After around 20 years on this board I've never seen a negative feedback loop so strong. Just asking since we're on the subject of addictive behaviors...
That's a good question - and seems oddly relevant to the topic at hand.

My guess: It's a Christian thing. Not the crusades' or modern times' Christianity, but the original New Testament stuff (you know: "Love your enemy", "see God in everyone", or "find that one lost sheep"). I have to admit, though, that I've long since given up myself and started using this site's block feature. Usually, I wouldn't support this approach, but in this case, I believe it's good for my mental health. Also, it saves so much time!
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Why do you (and Whim, and others) bother replying to Black?

I know why Terran does, cause he's trying to get a rise out of him.
Who, me? Naaaaah!

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Then you've got serious, serious issues. Really.
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I have a serious question for you though. Why do you (and Whim, and others) bother replying to Black?
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure. I typically ignore him, but he's just so extreme in his viewpoint that I sometimes just can't keep my mouth shut.

Otherwise, he's just the token racist, stomping around wearing a sandwich board.

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I don't usually bother engaging with Terran; he's one of those guys that is never wrong (even when he blatantly is), but he masks it with canned phrases and a keen ability to dodge questions while selectively quoting people in his responses. I'm torn between whether or not it's all just an act, or if his McCarthyist views on "The Progressives" is actually legitimate.

Spectral, on the other hand, is just absolutely precious. He's too easy to set off and his seemingly newfound Alex Jones-fueled anti-Semitic/anti-Zionist hatred is as bizarre as it is entertaining. All of his antics (especially his extreme hatred for all things Nintendo) is made even more wonderful - and simultaneously sad - by the fact that he revealed he's in his 50's. He speaks like a child who just learned how to swear, but he's apparently what I assume to be a functional adult. Spectral just amuses me.

None of them will ever change and honestly, engaging them will likely just make it worse; they'll dig in that much deeper into their viewpoints and shout all the louder.
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Honestly, I'm not entirely sure. I typically ignore him, but he's just so extreme in his viewpoint that I sometimes just can't keep my mouth shut.

Otherwise, he's just the token racist, stomping around wearing a sandwich board.



I don't usually bother engaging with Terran; he's one of those guys that is never wrong (even when he blatantly is), but he masks it with canned phrases and a keen ability to dodge questions while selectively quoting people in his responses. I'm torn between whether or not it's all just an act, or if his McCarthyist views on "The Progressives" is actually legitimate.

Spectral, on the other hand, is just absolutely precious. He's too easy to set off and his seemingly newfound Alex Jones-fueled anti-Semitic/anti-Zionist hatred is as bizarre as it is entertaining. All of his antics (especially his extreme hatred for all things Nintendo) is made even more wonderful - and simultaneously sad - by the fact that he revealed he's in his 50's. He speaks like a child who just learned how to swear, but he's apparently what I assume to be a functional adult. Spectral just amuses me.

None of them will ever change and honestly, engaging them will likely just make it worse; they'll dig in that much deeper into their viewpoints and shout all the louder.
Still hung up on Nintendo are we? Hell I can't even remember the last time I posted in a nintendo thread ffs. Not in my 50's thanks you dumb shit. At least you were right about blackz being racist, you forgot Evav's other token racist, but that's likely because he's the right kind of racist, he hates the whites.

That you keep bringing up Alex Jones is hilarious too, don't know alot of world history do you Chimpout?
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Still hung up on Nintendo are we? Hell I can't even remember the last time I posted in a nintendo thread ffs.
Hung up? Hardly. I'm honestly surprised you've been able to contain yourself, to be honest.

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Was it the 40's then? I can't remember. I know you're far too old to be behaving the way you do.

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At least you were right about blackz being racist, you forgot Evav's other token racist, but that's likely because he's the right kind of racist, he hates the whites.
I didn't bring "the other racist" up because he wasn't part of what I was responding to.

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That you keep bringing up Alex Jones is hilarious too, don't know alot of world history do you Chimpout?
If you didn't parrot most of what he spouts, I'd quit bringing him up.

Say what you will about me, but at least I don't resort to the ridiculous sort of nickname games you seem to enjoy so much.
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