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Old 08-09-2018, 05:33 AM   #2201
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This is literally what you are advocating doing right now.
You are an illiterate. I'm not advocating government regulation of speech at all. Progressives do. Daily.

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There is no liberal conspiracy for the government to regulate speech that you need to turn against them. This is a conservative action coming from conservatives.
You are a moron or a liar (or both).

Democrats want to amend First Amendment to remove speech protections.

Democrats attack three of ten Bill of Rights.

Dem caucus votes in lockstep to repeal and replace First Amendment.

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You aren't "turning this against the liberals".
Sure I am. I'm not proposing wrecking the Bill of Rights as Dems do. I'm proposing Dems have their feet held to the motherfucking fire, so you dumbasses will realize the error of your idiotic ways. Live as you say you want to live, fascist.

As you said, which so truly represents you and your ilk: The truth is you just don't really believe in free speech and want the government to regulate it.
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Old 08-09-2018, 06:14 AM   #2202
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Show me CNN making provably false statements, or statements that they represent as factual that are unsupported by any evidence.
There was the time they said that an unarmed black person is shot every 28 hours. There was the time they said automatic weapons were easy to get. There was the time they said that white men account for 69% of all violent crime in the US. There are plenty of instances where CNN - typically via pundits - were being misleading or flat-out wrong.

Of course, Fox News isn't exactly innocent, either.
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:45 PM   #2203
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You realize a lot of this is tax rebates that they make as an agreement to locate their HQ in a certain location, and other deals of that nature. They play cities off of each other like amazon is doing with its 2nd HQ hunt right now.
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:06 PM   #2204
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Show me CNN making provably false statements, or statements that they represent as factual that are unsupported by any evidence.

Maybe it has happened, but it is definitely rare. Whereas on the right it happens constantly.
"Maybe" it has happened? This is nothing more than your bias showing.

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I understand what you are saying, but there is a difference between debatable statements and outright, intentional falsehoods or blatant and intentionally misleading headlines/statements.
Not really. Who gets to determine what's a debatable our outright intentionally false or misleading headline or statement? Look at your statement about CNN above. It's obviously false, but you clearly believe it to be true.

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There is no debate about whether it is honest or dishonest to show video from an event and claim it is footage from a different event. Those headlines I posted earlier clearly had intent to mislead. These quotes from politifact do not.
You don't think it's misleading to rate what amounts to the same claim as "mostly true" for a Democrat and "half true" for a Republican? This is nothing more than your bias showing. Politifact is the epitome of what's wrong with your desire to force only reporting "facts." That's what Politifact claims to do, yet it has a rather obvious floating standard. Another example:
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"In 99 percent of counties in America, someone making the minimum wage working full time can’t afford a 1-bedroom apartment."
— Kamala Harris on Thursday, July 19th, 2018 in a tweet
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Do the math, and you’ll see that 22 divided by 3,000 comes out to a figure slightly smaller than 1 percent. That small percentage refers to the counties where a one-bedroom home is affordable for minimum-wage workers.

But there are two concepts in the sentence from the study that require further clarification: affordability and "fair market rent."

The national coalition defines "affordability" as "consistent with the federal standard that no more than 30 percent of a household’s gross income should be spent on rent and utilities." That’s the same guideline used by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and we found it’s a standard threshold within the field.

The definition of "fair market rent" is slightly different. It also has its origins from HUD. The National Low Income Housing Coalition defines it as "typically the 40th percentile of gross rents for standard rental units."

So that means that within any given metropolitan area, 40 percent of all rental properties are priced equal to or below the fair market rent threshold. That means not all units within the 99 percent of counties referred to in Harris’s tweet are unaffordable for full-time minimum-wage workers, but it does mean that a majority — 60 percent — are.

Of the remaining 40 percent of one-bedroom housing, some units may be affordable for those workers, but that doesn’t mean they’ll be quality apartments — they might be in a high-crime area or low-performing school district, for example. (We previously cleared up the definition of "fair market rent" in a fact-check of a Facebook graphic.)
What'd they rate it? "Mostly True."

If Trump said 99% of people did X and Politifact found that a majority, 60%, did X, that they'd rate his statement as "mostly true." No, they wouldn't. Politifact has a nasty habit of being generous in a certain political direction -- and it's a website that's reports to only fact check.


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"There’s actually a court order that prevents keeping the kids with the parents when you put the parents in jail."
— Ted Cruz on Monday, June 11th, 2018 in an interview aired on "Think," produced by KERA radio in Dallas
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Su called Cruz’s claim technically correct but misleading in that it leaves the inaccurate impression that the government, by policy and law, has no choice but to separate children from parents.

"The Trump administration’s hands were not forced," Su wrote. "There are multiple ways that separation could be avoided and the nation's interest in immigration adjudication and removal could still be maintained. But the ‘zero tolerance’ policy of detaining and criminally prosecuting all immigrants, even those who arrived with children, is what has led to this."

Summing up, Su said the 2008 law, Flores agreement and court rulings effectively bar the government from sending a detained parent and child to an adult prison together. By policy, Su said, the Trump administration made clear it wasn’t in favor of releasing parents and children--which left it with the options of sending parents to prison and releasing children or sending parents to prison and sending children to child detention facilities overseen by the government.

Su said Cruz’s claim, intimating the government has had no choice but to separate children from parents, also overlooks the government’s power to release children to other family members or guardians or even to expand family detention centers so long as they fulfill the agreement’s "least restrictive setting" requirement.
The rating? "Mostly False." He was evidently right, per their own article, yet they didn't like it and evidently wanted the administration to do something different, so they rate it mostly false. That's not how facts work, but hey, why not?

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Offering both viewpoints is another thing that we used to have, but don't really have anymore.
Much of modern liberalism is absolutely opposed to differing viewpoints being offered. Add in that you evidently want the federal government (which is currently features someone you appear to think is some sort of agent of Russia) to control what the press can talk about and you're oblivious to CNN being no stranger to making provable false statements doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that you're interested opposing viewpoints being offered.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:37 PM   #2205
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Eats you are truly one of the most intellectually dishonest morons I've ever had the displeasure of encountering. Soros isn't cutting you checks is he?
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:54 AM   #2206
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Eats, don't bother with the alt-right here, it's a gaming site.

A. Gaming. Site.

They are easily triggered and love to mash the truth with links to BS sites that have zero credibility. They prattle on like brand ambassadors for Info Wars and Faux News.

And again, I say "they" loosely. Still believe that Spectral, Venom, Terran are they same person with multiple accounts. Probably in the Ukraine or in that vicinity.

Sad, really sad.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:00 AM   #2207
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Eats, don't bother with the alt-right here, it's a gaming site.

A. Gaming. Site.

They are easily triggered and love to mash the truth with links to BS sites that have zero credibility. They prattle on like brand ambassadors for Info Wars and Faux News.

And again, I say "they" loosely. Still believe that Spectral, Venom, Terran are they same person with multiple accounts. Probably in the Ukraine or in that vicinity.

Sad, really sad.
What's sad is that there's a handful of places in the world where idiots like yourself, Eats and Whimple can live out your socialists fantasies, yet you won't go there, you'd rather turn the US into a shithole like Venezuela.

The only person who was confirmed to have multiple accounts and shilling for himself was Anenome. I do find it funny though that you, as a raging communist cunt are so deep in fantasy land that you honestly believe people who think like you are the majority in the US. You're not. No amount of voter fraud will change that either.
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:15 AM   #2208
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:58 AM   #2209
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Eats you are truly one of the most intellectually dishonest morons I've ever had the displeasure of encountering. Soros isn't cutting you checks is he?
Naw, Eats, Wim and the others we have here are pretty mild. I try to take a dose of Huffpo, PCCC, CNN, MSNBC, and Twitter now and then just to make sure I'm getting out of any echo chambers.

Sinistar is widdle baby in comparison to the insanity you see from commenters in some of those places and communities.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:34 PM   #2210
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Naw, Eats, Wim and the others we have here are pretty mild. I try to take a dose of Huffpo, PCCC, CNN, MSNBC, and Twitter now and then just to make sure I'm getting out of any echo chambers.

Sinistar is widdle baby in comparison to the insanity you see from commenters in some of those places and communities.
They are mild but their points are usually dim at best.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:32 PM   #2211
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Just now, I was banned yet again from a forum community for creatives that I was still frequenting for years with many contributions.
I was disagreeing with their new direction, the administrative removal of parts of the community and shutting down discussions that have been going on for a long time by the community,
but were suddenly deemed politically inappropriate. I was criticizing Social Justice and the connection of the new slew of administratives that are driving these changes.
While in some way I can actually understand that the "toxicity" in these discussions can be a problem, the way this was handled yet again, was so appalling that every other concern just pales in comparison.
Of course the site is run privately, and they owe no one, but.... well it sure is good to know that it is not worth investing yourself in liberal communities. One wrong step and you're done with years worth down the drain.

Well, I am a bit disoriented now. Not much else to go, especially for my creative interest.

I tried it my way, but to no avail. You conservatives now go ahead and do your thing, there is not much else I can tell you anymore.
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A little intellectual AIDS is still AIDS and terminal for your intelligence.
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:57 AM   #2213
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A little intellectual AIDS is still AIDS and terminal for your intelligence.
Us calling half of America ignorant and stupid and not trying to see their point of view is just as bad as them calling us ignorant and stupid and not trying to see our point of view.

If we don't read their stuff, listen to them, and try to distill the core of what they're trying to do, which is what they think is right, then we aren't going to get anywhere even when they present it in such blindingly stupid ways like this new lady they have, Ocasio-Cortez who supposedly has an Economics degree but based on her math I wouldn't want her around one of those Fisher Price cash registers.

I don't know that the sides fundamentally disagree with a majority of the platform pillars; it's the solutions which we disagree with and the priority of the problems. For example:
  • Should healthcare be more accessible and affordable? I think yes. Medicare for all isn't the answer.
  • Should education be more accessible and affordable? I think yes, but having the government pick up the tab isn't the right way to do it, we've seen where that leads.
  • Should people be given some security when they get old so they can retire and not have to try to live off dog food and freeze to death in the winter or die of heatstroke in the summer? Once again, I think yes. But I disagree doubling down on the mismanaged Social Security system the way to do it.

Basically they have a lot of good ideas about where there are problems but the wrong ideas that it is the government's job to solve them via bigger and bigger entitlement programs.

UNTIL... we get into the identity politics side of things, which well that's where everything just goes off the rails and they all show their true colors as bigots, racists, violent and intolerant radicals, and retards.
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:17 AM   #2214
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Us calling half of America ignorant and stupid and not trying to see their point of view
I don't think it's half. I'd say the truly committed, sold-out-for-communism far left (the idiot fascist fundamentalist identity-oriented white hating left) is about 15%-20% at most. That said, the leftist media is mostly run by that cabal of crazies. Best to avoid it as much as possible.

The question to ask yourself, with Donald Trump in office, is who has actually radicalized in the American political landscape? It's not Republicans. It's Democrats. The median Republican has barely moved. The median Democrat is being pulled by a small core of nutjobs toward Marxism.

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Old 08-11-2018, 08:20 AM   #2215
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I don't think it's half. I'd say the truly committed, sold-out-for-communism far left (the idiot fascist fundamentalist identity-oriented white hating left) is about 15%-20% at most. That said, the leftist media is mostly run by that cabal of crazies. Best to avoid it as much as possible.

The question to ask yourself, with Donald Trump in office, is who has actually radicalized in the American political landscape? It's not Republicans. It's Democrats. The median Republican has barely moved. The median Democrat is being pulled by a small core of nutjobs toward Marxism.

I didn't realize this was news to most. For me it's been obvious that conservatives have pretty much remained the same when it comes to message and what they support, and that it's those on the left who have consistently demanded everyone obey them more and more. Just look at the censoring of free speech now, it's always right leaning folks who they try and silence, you never hear of lefties being shadowbanned or outright banned from places like twatter and the like. Yet you have people like Eats and his ilk who try and pretend it's no big deal to silence people based on political beliefs.

Those on the left have gone off the deep end to the point where reality is absolutely foreign to them.
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I didn't realize this was news to most. For me it's been obvious that conservatives have pretty much remained the same when it comes to message and what they support, and that it's those on the left who have consistently demanded everyone obey them more and more. Just look at the censoring of free speech now, it's always right leaning folks who they try and silence, you never hear of lefties being shadowbanned or outright banned from places like twatter and the like. Yet you have people like Eats and his ilk who try and pretend it's no big deal to silence people based on political beliefs.

Those on the left have gone off the deep end to the point where reality is absolutely foreign to them.
Well, again I'm talking more about the regular rank and file dems rather than the vocal radicals we seem to hear from.

Yeah, the 10 - 20% that is in outright civil war with the rest of America, trying to tear down bathrooms and calling normal people who don't want to date Trans people "transphobic", or who protest for illegal immigrant rights while holding up the national flag of Mexico, or fight tooth and nail against any sort of voter fraud protections, even something as simple as an ID card which any citizen can get pretty much for free or next to free (and most illegals can cheat and get too).

The ones who hit people with bike locks because they don't think someone with different opinions should be able to state them. The people who use the heckler's veto to make it so onerously expensive and burdensome for conservative messages to be spread at colleges that it seems to be a Kent State affair every single time.

Yeah, and on, and on, and on.
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Well, again I'm talking more about the regular rank and file dems rather than the vocal radicals we seem to hear from.

Yeah, the 10 - 20% that is in outright civil war with the rest of America, trying to tear down bathrooms and calling normal people who don't want to date Trans people "transphobic", or who protest for illegal immigrant rights while holding up the national flag of Mexico, or fight tooth and nail against any sort of voter fraud protections, even something as simple as an ID card which any citizen can get pretty much for free or next to free (and most illegals can cheat and get too).

The ones who hit people with bike locks because they don't think someone with different opinions should be able to state them. The people who use the heckler's veto to make it so onerously expensive and burdensome for conservative messages to be spread at colleges that it seems to be a Kent State affair every single time.

Yeah, and on, and on, and on.
There's regular rank and file dems? I'm still waiting to hear from one after Trump's election. No matter where you go, facebook, twatter, etc. All I see is insanity from those on the left, certainly not reasonable discussion.

Then you have stories like this. Remember the thread about Gunn getting fired? This is the type of shit this guy is into.

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Okay, I see fully grown people doing some silly cosplay.
The whole thing itself was probably a stab at pedo priests than an endorsement.

That's pretty much what I was talking about, when searching for evidence,
where the line is to condemn people. what does normalization mean, what is just plain silliness.

Is it objectively bad taste? Does it skit the line where it becomes strangely irritating. Mabye.
But I am just not sure what exactly this particular piece is supposed to prove. You see more crazy from regular bachelor student parties.
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Okay, I see fully grown people doing some silly cosplay.
The whole thing itself was probably a stab at pedo priests than an endorsement.

That's pretty much what I was talking about, when searching for evidence,
where the line is to condemn people. what does normalization mean, what is just plain silliness.

Is it objectively bad taste? Does it skit the line where it becomes strangely irritating. Mabye.
But I am just not sure what exactly this particular piece is supposed to prove. You see more crazy from regular bachelor student parties.
That is Peter Gunn dressed as the priest, the same director that got fired, altho it sounds like Disney is changing their course on that of course! People who talk about pedophilia as a joke as much as this guy does.. yeah
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Okay, I see fully grown people doing some silly cosplay.
Silly cosplay is one thing. Pairing it with an extremely consistent preoccupation with perversion as he has is another thing entirely.

Nice try at rationalizing, however!
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