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Old 04-01-2020, 08:33 PM   #681
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Still think it's a coincidence Italy has been hit so hard?

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/s...41228133351424
Tucker is talking about the bio labs tonight.

Oh shit. China has been a bad boy.

Don't even care if its fabricated. Bring our manufacturing back.
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Old 04-01-2020, 08:51 PM   #682
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Here, watch this, it's about what you just asked for:

If you hadn't posted this, I would have. A free-ish market is an amazing thing.
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Old 04-02-2020, 07:28 AM   #683
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Not a coincidence at all, China is a totalitarian communist shithole.
There was also this game with over 40'000 people in attendance.

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What's so annoying about Lefties is that they always think cooperation has to be enforced and self-interest forbidden, or nothing good will come.

Cooperation and good will is natural to capitalism, it happens because of self-interest.
You can't survive alone, you are just easy prey. So you are looking to group up with others by choice. And it's on a basis of natural self-interest.
You have many investors pooling their resources together. Their incentive is get a production started that makes them more money.
You got many people in management and production working together to make it happen, on the basis of self-interest, that accomplishing the goal benefits them.
a lot of coworkers build trusting relationships of shared competence with each other, or even cross company.
They get their money as was agreed on. Many companies in the supply chain work together to make something happen.
And there is a lot of trust in the system, in the law and procedures, and in the relationships the business partners build with each other over time.
Sure you can go into this with an absolute cut-throat attitude, it happens and it can make you some money.
But the really big and enduring corporations that produce reliable quality products that customers trust, built these on the merit of earning trust.

You know, there is some crappy mobile game company selling you some bullshit for a quick buck, and then there is Nintendo, and you already feel that Nintendo is different.
Nintendo feels a lot different. Of course they are in it to earn money. But they are in it for the long term and the really big money. And for that you need a good reputation.
They want to be around for many more decades, as they have been already. They build a good willed culture of trust within their employees, and within their suppliers, and customers.
That scammy mobile crap producer may earn some quick bucks, but ultimately they will never be as big and influential as Nintendo is.
Sony and Microsoft also work on that merit, building trust and good will in the brand. They all try to build their reputation.

A socialist would say that all this is impossible to happen in capitalism, because it's all about personal greed, being the biggest asshole, and abusing others to enrich yourself. But they fail to understand that for a majority of our economy, it's about building good, lasting, reliable relationships, because that is naturally what you need to succeed long term and become really big and important and accomplishing great things worth a lot of capital.

Capitalism is already naturally about cooperation as much as competition. Of course, as much as people group up in a market and build relationships, they also compete with other groups, etc. It's all natural. So when I want to highlight the merit of cooperation that naturally occurs in our free market capitalism, it is to talk about this natural phenomenon among people. It does not need to assume the total lack of self-interest, it's already within self-interest.

When you look into socialist countries you usually find a very cut-throat society on a level you are not used anymore. it's really day and night. People are mean beyond believe and barely survive from day to day. You look in any established democratic capitalist country we got, and actually you will find a lot of nice people trying to be of service to you. And for some mysterious reason, you will even find a lot of people that are just being nice to you for the sake of being nice. You'd think this is completely antithetical to capitalism, but this is the reality of what kind of societies emerge from the different economic paradigms. Because a culture of friendliness and helpfulness signals to others "hey, I am trustworthy and easy to work with, you can group up with me anytime, and we'll survive and make profits". THAT is why you are being nice. To survive and prosper. And for that your best chance is to entice others to work with you. People compete in who is better to work with to attract better teams.

All socialist talk about is how to enforce things. Free markets only facilitate evil behavior. People must do this or that. No they really don't. We got basic laws that regulate the play rules so people can start building some trust, establish relationships, build reputation, work together to achieve prosperity, compete with each other on civilized terms. It's fine.

So that's the reason I brought this in, the left is always pretending that good behavior does not exist in capitalism, it's all about cut-throat unless you step in, and this is simply not true. Of course capitalism is about competition. but _because_ you need to compete, you are naturally incentivized to cooperate in greater teams against other teams, and build good relationships and alliances. If you are really that much of a total asshole all the time, no one will like you and play with you. And alone you are nothing in a competitive market. And so people also compete in who has a better reputation and earns more trust. Because trust is money.


Please send me some of the drugs that you're using to make me forget about the socialist cut-throat society where no one is nice that I live in. The one where my mother just got hip surgery, spent 4 days in the intensive care unit because of heart complications during surgery, had a battery of exams made, and spent another 5 days on the orthopedics wing recovering. Yet, we have no medical insurance, but somehow we're not bankrupt.

Maybe check this video to get a grasp on what I'm talking about. Even though I don't live on the UK, but I'm sure you'll get the point, hopefully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM
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Old 04-02-2020, 08:16 AM   #685
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Please send me some of the drugs that you're using to make me forget about the socialist cut-throat society where no one is nice that I live in. The one where my mother just got hip surgery, spent 4 days in the intensive care unit because of heart complications during surgery, had a battery of exams made, and spent another 5 days on the orthopedics wing recovering. Yet, we have no medical insurance, but somehow we're not bankrupt.

Maybe check this video to get a grasp on what I'm talking about. Even though I don't live on the UK, but I'm sure you'll get the point, hopefully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM
Wow... you sure showed us. I see that your profile says you're from Portugal. I married into a family with a lot of Portuguese, right off the boat. And none of them would go back and they cite the medical care here as one of the primary reasons (along with the massively better quality of life here.) One them had a heart attack and had medical personnel in his house within 3 minutes. He went on and on that if he had the heart attack back in Portugal, he'd be long dead before anyone saw to him. It's anecdotal but then again, so is your thrilling tale.

Also I didn't know where to put this as it can it in the Pics, Kung Flu, and Libs threads.
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Please send me some of the drugs that you're using
The ones developed in capitalist America? The U.S. develops 44% of the world's NMEs (that's newly developed drugs) annually. That's nearly half.

You're welcome, dumbass.
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:58 AM   #687
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Please send me some of the drugs that you're using to make me forget about the socialist cut-throat society where no one is nice that I live in. The one where my mother just got hip surgery, spent 4 days in the intensive care unit because of heart complications during surgery, had a battery of exams made, and spent another 5 days on the orthopedics wing recovering. Yet, we have no medical insurance, but somehow we're not bankrupt.

Maybe check this video to get a grasp on what I'm talking about. Even though I don't live on the UK, but I'm sure you'll get the point, hopefully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM
Portugal is a free market democracy with social systems, similar to rest of Europe. There is a strong difference between that and taking the "final step" to actually becoming a socialist country, which has a very distinct political/administrative/social setup. Portugal culturally has more left leanings than usual, and has ruined itself with very left politics for a long time, but in more recent times it has recovered a bit its economy with slightly more sane policies and fully qualified as a European Member. It's still the poorest member, with a long list of deficiencies on all levels.

Even though Portugal is not an actual socialist country, you can see many of the negative effects from a history of very left policies there, as is usual. It's not nearly as bad as in an actual socialist country, but already visible enough. The reason you don't realize this yourself is because you have no frame of reference, you don't actually know what it's really like living in a different society. You have grown up demoralized by ideology.

When I lived in regions that are more conservative oriented. I could go out for the full day with my doors fully unlocked, come back, and it's all fine. In fact I could go on a 2 weeks vacation anytime. Nothing to worry about. I dare you try any of this in typically progressive areas. I dare you. Just for a few hours even. Actually, I'd be afraid even with my door locked, to stay away from home for too long. I was often even worried just going to work.

Whenever there was any sort of crisis, the people would look our for each other, support each other. In progressive areas you are lucky if you don't get looted by roaming scavengers, on top of loosing most of your stuff to the catastrophe.

In terms of quality of health services, again you have no real frame of reference. I'd rather fly across half the world to Taiwan or South Korea for medical checks than nearby Portugal in Europe. I'd also feel so much saver there and have good relations with neighbors and population. These countries developed from being very poor to some of the most advanced societies on earth in just the last 60 years, and make China's development look incompetent on all levels.

When you fly to EastAsian countries modeled after classic conservative Western values, Taiwan/SouthKorea/HongKong/Japan/Sinagpour your risk of being scammed by the people there is very low, and your chances of getting honest friendly help are very high. I can recommend traveling to any of them without any reservations whatsoever. I don't need to spell out an explicit warning, beyond the most basic common sense you need anywhere.

Any country in SE Asia or anywhere in the world, that has suffered for a long time under either very leftwing ideology, or is a full blown actual socialist system, I could never recommend for travel without severe warnings for your savety, not just because of the draconian government, but the mentality of the general population that has grown up in those systems.
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Please send me some of the drugs that you're using to make me forget about the socialist cut-throat society where no one is nice that I live in. The one where my mother just got hip surgery, spent 4 days in the intensive care unit because of heart complications during surgery, had a battery of exams made, and spent another 5 days on the orthopedics wing recovering. Yet, we have no medical insurance, but somehow we're not bankrupt.

Maybe check this video to get a grasp on what I'm talking about. Even though I don't live on the UK, but I'm sure you'll get the point, hopefully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM

Please understand. America is a huge country with lots of room, whoso cities are filled to the fucking brim with 3rd world immigrants, its also brand new country, we have very little culture. THE REASON most americans publicly reject any form of socialism even though most are ok with a bit of it is because of people in the above tweet exist here.
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Maybe check this video to get a grasp on what I'm talking about. Even though I don't live on the UK, but I'm sure you'll get the point, hopefully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM
Cool story bro. Now watch this. I also don't live in the UK, but I'm sure you will get the point, hopefully.

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The longer the lockdown lasts, the more crazy shit will we see... normal people already starting to get slightly weird, and people that were already weird before... well...
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I just ordered a 4 camera security system. It could get bad for a bit.
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They could sell that as a blow up doll, to be placed like a scare crow. But it's a blow up doll. get it? haha....

Yeah there is this thinking that there will be some transformations in our economy, new services and products being in demand that weren't before, leading to new sorts of jobs etc.

I heard an argument that was pretty nice. it said that there were already several heavy recessions in past couple decades, but each one got quickly outpaced by new advancements in technology that drove up the market again, from computers to smart phones etc.

So it's not just all gloomy. People in free societies are incredibly ingenious, crafty and adaptive. Life will move on just fine. There is spring after winter.
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Businesses are slow to hire people back during recovery, and the next big revolution in tech is AI which will destroy jobs. The apprehension to hire people will just accelerate the advancement of AI. Might be different this time.

There will be pockets of new businesses that rise from this, but the looming chaos of AI is going to be amplified.

Between this, the threat of future pandemics, and changing demographics, I think America has a dark future ahead. Everyone needs to save money, become more self-sufficient, and move out of cities.
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They could sell that as a blow up doll, to be placed like a scare crow. But it's a blow up doll. get it? haha....

Yeah there is this thinking that there will be some transformations in our economy, new services and products being in demand that weren't before, leading to new sorts of jobs etc.

I heard an argument that was pretty nice. it said that there were already several heavy recessions in past couple decades, but each one got quickly outpaced by new advancements in technology that drove up the market again, from computers to smart phones etc.

So it's not just all gloomy. People in free societies are incredibly ingenious, crafty and adaptive. Life will move on just fine. There is spring after winter.
Free societies. Free. How long until you no longer consider yourself free?

I think we are not recovering from this quickly.

And as said, changes in our society will probably be: people going out less, more reliance on AI and automation, non essential services will dwindle, probably more homeschooling. Nothing that will bring jobs in the short term.

Bars, restaurants and shows will never be the same again.

On the other hand, hand sanitizer factories will probably hire a lot.
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And as said, changes in our society will probably be: people going out less, more reliance on AI and automation, non essential services will dwindle, probably more homeschooling. Nothing that will bring jobs in the short term.

Bars, restaurants and shows will never be the same again.
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Free societies. Free. How long until you no longer consider yourself free?

I think we are not recovering from this quickly.

And as said, changes in our society will probably be: people going out less, more reliance on AI and automation, non essential services will dwindle, probably more homeschooling. Nothing that will bring jobs in the short term.

Bars, restaurants and shows will never be the same again.

On the other hand, hand sanitizer factories will probably hire a lot.
Dude, you totally underestimate just how stupid people are. People in New York, the center of the viral outbreak, are still gathering in large groups in the parks and when that Hospital ship docked, they were packed in shoulder-to-shoulder like sardines.

If people aren’t even smart enough to stay home when they are living in the center of the pandemic, you know they will go right back out when the stores open up again.
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