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Old 07-17-2013, 07:03 AM   #241
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Whimbrel, are you white?

I sometimes get the sense, as a white person myself, that other races think white people have it somehow far easier. They think white people don't experience the same-similar struggles that other races go through. That's just not true in my experience.

Or if they face personal struggles, they always have this excuse or perhaps that question, were they not hired because they weren't good enough, or because of racism.

I suppose if white people have any privilege at all, it's in the idea that we can't typically blame prejudice if we fail at something.

Except, I suppose, for college admissions, where being a white male is a major liability. Oh an for some government work too. In my city, the Fire department, for instance, signed an agreement with the fed government to impose racial hiring quotas for some 20 years because there were too many white, straight, males on the force.

At that point it became very difficult to get hired onto the LAFD as a white male. Outright discrimination, yet somehow it was legal.
The City of Los Angeles stopped affirmative action hiring shortly after it started. It didn't last anywhere close to 20 years. Plus LAFD hasn't hired firefighters in five years, regardless of race.

And being a white male isn't a liability in multiple states that banned affirmative action, including California.
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The City of Los Angeles stopped affirmative action hiring shortly after it started. It didn't last anywhere close to 20 years. Plus LAFD hasn't hired firefighters in five years, regardless of race.

And being a white male isn't a liability in multiple states that banned affirmative action, including California.
The City of Los Angeles continues to have an official affirmative action program today. Now it does appear that the State of California does not legally allow you to get "extra points" or have outright quotas for people based upon ethnicity.

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This Affirmative Action Plan is a policy establishing specific standards and procedures to be taken if there is a case of discrimination. It may include provisions for positive recruitment, training, promotion, and procedures for internal record keeping and auditing to ensure compliance.

As a bidder for a Los Angeles City contract, you are required to comply with the nondiscrimination provisions as defined in Division 10 of the Los Angeles Administrative Code. Pertinent provisions appear on bid, contract, and purchase order forms.
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For the foreseeable future — except in states such as California that unwisely have banned all racial preferences in public university admissions — elite public educational institutions can continue to treat an applicant's race as one factor in assembling a diverse student body. That's good news for those institutions and for a society in which African Americans and other minorities are still woefully underrepresented in law, business and public life.
Per the thoughts of this article, not my own, apparently if you're a black you're somehow inferior because you shouldn't be expected to have the same scores as someone white. How is that not racist? Isn't it a problem that we need to represent blacks as a different group than whites, asians, hispanics? Shouldn't we be worried about producing the best and brightest Americans regardless of gender, race, etc? Instead we've now nurtured a culture that demands special treatment and expects the bar to be lowered because of their skin color.

Also back to the Zimmerman subject, I had a friend contact me today about how he was walking his dog and was rushed by "black youths" screaming "Trayvon, Trayvon, Trayvon" at him trying to intimidate him. This of course isn't a unique experience to him. Ever wonder why Zimmerman was carrying a firearm and why many people stereotype blacks the way they do? Because of the way that community has acted in many cases.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:12 AM   #244
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Also back to the Zimmerman subject, I had a friend contact me today about how he was walking his dog and was rushed by "black youths" screaming "Trayvon, Trayvon, Trayvon" at him trying to intimidate him. This of course isn't a unique experience to him. Ever wonder why Zimmerman was carrying a firearm and why many people stereotype blacks the way they do? Because of the way that community has acted in many cases.
First impressions are so lasting. If the media had been responsible they would have waited to get the facts (and not thrown gas on the fire by deliberately editing 911 calls) before riling people up I wonder how things would have turned out.

Are these folks to blame or can we point the finger at the media?

Hell, even the President, a very intelligent person, was taken in by these first media reports. How often does the President actually weigh in on a single incident much less with the statement he made? Was he already looking to jocky this for political gain to add weight to his anti-gun platform? I can't think this was the case but, like I said, he's a very smart person.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:27 AM   #245
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First impressions are so lasting. If the media had been responsible they would have waited to get the facts (and not thrown gas on the fire by deliberately editing 911 calls) before riling people up I wonder how things would have turned out.

Are these folks to blame or can we point the finger at the media?

Hell, even the President, a very intelligent person, was taken in by these first media reports. How often does the President actually weigh in on a single incident much less with the statement he made? Was he already looking to jocky this for political gain to add weight to his anti-gun platform? I can't think this was the case but, like I said, he's a very smart person.
Both are to blame. While the President is obviously an intelligent person he clearly has an agenda. Being as educated as he is and with his own legal background he should have known to wait for real information to come of it. What he said only fed the fire and I have no doubt he knew it would.

I believe it's especially clear now that the President was trying to use this to push for more gun control considering all the facts that have come out and he is still using Travyon's death to try an get more gun control.

So while he may not have known everything going on at the start of the media blitz and had faulty information... he still should not have interjected himself the way he did by seemingly declaring Zimmerman guilty. Now since the jury has found him, Zimmerman, not guilty the President should clearly have shut his mouth on the subject. Using the individual, who appears to have been the actual aggressor and which the jury apparently agrees, as a reason for more gun control is idiotic at best. In fact Trayvon is an example of why people should be afforded the opportunity to carry a firearm. If Zimmerman had not been carrying a firearm it is quite possible he would have suffered serious bodily harm or death.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:36 AM   #246
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As a fan of Aaron Sorkin's "The Newsroom", I can't wait to see how he's gonna cover the Trayvon Martin case in his fictional (yet highly-liberal nonetheless) news studio now knowing that Zimmerman was ultimately found innocent of all wrongdoing.

I don't have much more to add to this thread (great read, guys!!) other than to acknowledge the fact that I have no sympathy for anybody who uses race as a reason for failure in THIS country. When you have illegal immigrants literally drowning themselves just for the opportunity to live here (under constant threat of deportation even when they arrive) it speaks of a very VERY lazy mindset to simply sit back and blame a lack of success on anything but your own personal shortcomings. It's possible for anybody residing in the USA to live comfortably, and most of the time that means working hard as much as you want to play hard.

I also agree with someone earlier (sorry can't rifle through the thread to find exact quotes while @ work ) when they implied people like Hillary Clinton are fanning the flames of strained racial tensions by milking what should've been a non-story like Trayvon's justified death. Babies getting gunned down by unknown assailants should be getting much more news coverage than an aggressor who made a bad decision to attack someone who held a concealed weapon for protection against such an attack.

But certain constituents that buy into the 'lazy' idea that they can't be at fault for their own shortcomings will buy into an eloquent politician that seems to be agreeing with them (for the sake of getting their votes come election year). Disgusting.
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The City of Los Angeles continues to have an official affirmative action program today. Now it does appear that the State of California does not legally allow you to get "extra points" or have outright quotas for people based upon ethnicity.
Basically on the LAFD, they used the interview to racially screen people. The oral interview meant everything. You could actually receive more to 100% score if you scored highly and were also a minority.

Btw, my father is a retired Captain-II LAFD and a long-standing fighter against racism in the force, which he witnessed firsthand back in the 60's.

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Per the thoughts of this article, not my own, apparently if you're a black you're somehow inferior because you shouldn't be expected to have the same scores as someone white. How is that not racist?
Well, it is racialist, they justify positive racism as compensatory for a history of negative-selection via race. That seems to have the ring of justice to it, but it ultimately fails the test. What it does it create the idea that a legal privilege can be granted to w/e group lobbies most effectively for it, and create a power struggle to do so.

Thus, the, for instance, gay and lesbian lobbies have been co-opting civil rights advances to get legal favoritism for themselves.

And on the LAFD this is a factor now. They're trying desperately to hire gay individuals and also women.

But there's a problem. The political desire for women is so strong that they refuse to let candidates fail the physical exam. My father has witnessed this first-hand as well.

Whereas a male recruit who can't perform the physical requirements will be flunked out, favored groups will be given chance after chance and then likely passed anyway.

That's where things become dangerous. Because if you're passing a female firefighter into the field who is expected to raise ladders and carry people out of buildings on their back--who can't physically actually do the job--then you've endangered people's lives in the pursuit of a political objective.

Just like the '08 housing crash resulted from the political objective of fighting supposed racism in lending practices.

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And worse, for those non-whites who genuinely do earn it, their achievements become suspect, questionable, because of those who do get advanced via political considerations.
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But certain constituents that buy into the 'lazy' idea that they can't be at fault for their own shortcomings will buy into an eloquent politician that seems to be agreeing with them (for the sake of getting their votes come election year). Disgusting.
That is no doubt part of the media's desired outcome.
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Is This Still America?

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There are no winners in the trial of George Zimmerman. The only question is whether the damage that has been done will be transient or irreparable.

Legally speaking, Zimmerman has won his freedom. But he can still be sued in a civil case, and he will probably never be safe to live his life in peace, as he could have before this case made him the focus of national attention and orchestrated hate.

More important than the fate of George Zimmerman, however, is the fate of the American justice system and of the public’s faith in that system and in their country. People who have increasingly asked during the lawlessness of the Obama administration, “Is this still America?” may feel some measure of relief.

But the very fact that this case was brought in the first place, in the absence of serious evidence — which became ever more painfully obvious as the prosecution strained to try to come up with anything worthy of a murder trial — will be of limited encouragement as to how long this will remain America.

The political perversion of the criminal-justice system began early and at the top, with the president of the United States. Unlike other public officials, who decline to comment on criminal cases that have not yet been tried in court, Barack Obama chose to say, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”

It was a clever way to play the race card, as he had done before, when professor Henry Louis Gates of Harvard was arrested.

But it did not stop there. After the local police in Fla., found insufficient evidence to ask for Zimmerman to be prosecuted, the Obama administration sent Justice Department investigators to Sanford, Fla., and also used taxpayers’ money to finance local activists who agitated for Zimmerman to be arrested...
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It was a clever way to play the race card, as he had done before, when professor Henry Louis Gates of Harvard was arrested.
Don't even start me on that one. Apparently, if you are a minority and a uniformed police officer visits your door investigating a possible crime (he doesn't even have to accuse you of it), you are within your rights to blow up at the him and call him a racist and not face repercussions, and also the President will get involved and give you and the police officer a beer.

Zimmerman didn't even get a beer.
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Don't even start me on that one. Apparently, if you are a minority and a uniformed police officer visits your door investigating a possible crime (he doesn't even have to accuse you of it), you are within your rights to blow up at the him and call him a racist and not face repercussions, and also the President will get involved and give you and the police officer a beer.

Zimmerman didn't even get a beer.
"Stupidly" comes to mind...
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Not when progressives have redefined the term, it isn't.
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None of that matters. Power is what matters.
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Why do you think I'm getting out?

Anyone not planning to get out is going to be like the Germans that got caught under Nazi Germany, you're all going to be along for the ride. Either you, or your children. Things are about to get interesting in the US in the next 50 years. I'd wager the dollar loses world reserve status during that period and that's gonna knock everything off kilter.
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Why do you think I'm getting out?

Anyone not planning to get out is going to be like the Germans that got caught under Nazi Germany, you're all going to be along for the ride. Either you, or your children. Things are about to get interesting in the US in the next 50 years. I'd wager the dollar loses world reserve status during that period and that's gonna knock everything off kilter.
Where ya headed, when, and what's your immigration/emigration plan?

Not trolling, honestly curious. You're the first person that's actually mentioned leaving as a legitimate solution after I took flak for mentioning it as a possibility in some other yell-at-everyone-and-call-them-idiots thread.
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Anyone not planning to get out is going to be like the Germans that got caught under Nazi Germany, you're all going to be along for the ride. Either you, or your children. Things are about to get interesting in the US in the next 50 years. I'd wager the dollar loses world reserve status during that period and that's gonna knock everything off kilter.
It's a possibility. I'd rather stick around here, but it may come that I'll be forced to leave. Being in Florida, my emergency plan is to buy a large boat as soon as possible, and start prepping it as a live-aboard and take refuge around the Caribbean, possibly head for Chile.
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Where ya headed, when, and what's your immigration/emigration plan?

Not trolling, honestly curious. You're the first person that's actually mentioned leaving as a legitimate solution after I took flak for mentioning it as a possibility in some other yell-at-everyone-and-call-them-idiots thread.
Within the libertarian / ancap movement, it's been dawning on increasingly more people that the attempt to achieve change by both political and educational means is and has failed over the last 40 years.

Instead we're looking seriously at the enclave method of change, which involves setting up your own jurisdiction outside existing ones.

Until recently people were focused on buying islands, or some region in a poor country, like the recent attempt to make an autonomous region in Honduras that was shot down by the Honduran Supreme Court after being passed into law by the legislature (nice try, guys!). Probably most people outside anarcho-capitalist / libertarian circles don't even know of that most recent attempt to create an independent enclave.

I wouldn't have moved to that Honduran one in any case, not immediately anyway, as they didn't have true independence. Couple serious caveats there.

No, what I'm planning is a seastead. Floating autonomous regions in international waters built around ocean-based economic production.

We'd need to do something like either floating fish farms, floating biodiesel production, seaweed production, or even massive wind-farms--but that's quite capital intensive even comparatively.

I've been designing a 50-foot diameter floating concrete dome house based on the Monolithic-Dome house design, and plan to begin producing these in the next few years.











Those are half-spheres, but a floating dome house would be a full sphere, giving it a concrete-hull bottom, which is fantastic as a hull. Lookup the Troll A platform for an example of concrete as a long-term water-dwelling structure.

I'm going to modify this design with a central support column from floor to ceiling for added structural support, since that's the major stress of the dome design, vertical squashing pressure. Shouldn't detract from their architectural beauty.

Perhaps few know also that the world's first commercial seastead is launching early next year, known as Blueseed.

It could be that some people working on the Blueseed ship will want to move to posher surroundings, and maybe I can sell dome-homes to them. I've had many people interested already upon hearing about the concept.

Great thing about a dome home, you don't pay for any land costs. It's pure materials and construction. So, a 5,000 sf floating dome house would cost you likely less than $100k.

Anyway, I have a lot of work to do on that before I push a prototype out the door, including some scale models. Then I'll do something like kickstarter it and auction off the full size prototype and go from there, we'll see

Then just anchor these babies together above a seamount and you're good to go. They may not even need floating break-waters.
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