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Old 03-26-2020, 03:34 PM   #401
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Oh yeah those doctors and nurses. Well I can tell you, even though my mother was a nurse (among many other different jobs over her lifetime), she'd be the first to admit: do what you can to stay out of medical care. And that's what i certainly did. Well, I'm not gonna tell you to avoid it at all costs, because fucking hell, you may really need it, and maybe taking this advice is the worst thing ever you could do to yourself... maybe do some check ups at least, idk. But yeah, tough call. Stay healthy, is all I can say. Try not depend on others to fix you. Big revelation, right there. She also told me, you only like eating in a restaurant until you've once worked in a kitchen for one, then no more. She also plead with me to never let her alone in a hospital uncontrolled, should the need ever arise.

Not wanna smear the entire profession, let's not forget what good they do, these people do what they can, are often over worked, or under paid, may receive a lot of ungrateful treatment by entitled assholes etc. Even at best intention, it's difficult. But the problem is, someone needs to do it, right. So who you gonna let do the surgery on you, the guy who studied surgery, or the plumber from across the streets. Even if the surgeon is the first obvious choice, there still can be problems. Tough racket.

I am plenty mistrustful towards scientists, not because I am anti-science, but the contrary... being mistrustful is actually the virtue of science. Basically someone puts out a new model or theory, and then most other scientists approach it with doubts, test it, try to tear it down, prove it wrong, find its flaws and limits. At least that's how it's supposed to work. And after a long enough time of their best effort trying to destroy your shit, if it still yields useful data, it may be worth something, maybe.

But what we can see recently, like in this case, has nothing to do with science but the name in it. Someone throws out a trendy model, and the next day it gets hyped as gospel, especially by media pundits that are looking for confirmation bias of their agenda, and it just gets uncritically adopted everywhere in order to make critical decisions on society that affect a lot of lives. Let's not kid around, many livelihoods are gonna be destroyed after even a short lockdown. So far the first model is confirmed to be extremely flawed, and that after we have been assaulted for days that anyone who questions anything is an anti-science idiot who wants to recklessly kill people, one step short of getting stoned as an unbeliever. The media again has recklessly gambled away much of their credibility, along with much of the corrupt "scientific" community not doing their jobs properly, but serving as political tools.

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Old 03-26-2020, 03:34 PM   #402
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Then you have access to my edits.
WTF are you smoking/drinking, black? EVERYONE has access to your edits; they appear, we can read your post, it's been edited...amazing! I replied to you NINETY MINUTES after your post (2:14). You edited at 2:51, I replied at 3:45.

Put that shit down, man. It's bad for you.
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:04 PM   #403
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WTF are you smoking/drinking, black? EVERYONE has access to your edits; they appear, we can read your post, it's been edited...amazing! I replied to you NINETY MINUTES after your post (2:14). You edited at 2:51, I replied at 3:45.

Put that shit down, man. It's bad for you.

I know it shows the time it was edited. But anyone can see WHAT i edited? There is no way it took me 90 mins to edit my post, 15 mins tops. Maybe there is some lag time.

I like to type out my post, post it and proofread it on the fly, ill make 10 edits sometimes

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The media again has recklessly gambled away much of their credibility, along with much of the corrupt "scientific" community not doing their jobs properly, but serving as political tools.

Trump needs to start putting out the narrative that the media will destroy the country if something isn't done. Now is the time to do it to be honest. He did call it 'sad' today at the white house briefing. These people need to be shot.
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Old 03-26-2020, 04:42 PM   #404
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Trump needs to start putting out the narrative that the media will destroy the country if something isn't done. Now is the time to do it to be honest. He did call it 'sad' today at the white house briefing. These people need to be shot.
You know what? Yeah.

It was all "fun and games" before maybe. But they have shown they are actually willing and capable of destroying the country. And not just yours, the entire world economy if it suits them so. It is crazy to realize, just how dangerous these people are. It's like there's nothing they wouldn't do and can do, to achieve their goals, and they do. I am now more scared of journalists than anything, for real. But similar to you, I've pretty much completely given up on media stuff.
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:10 PM   #405
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:11 PM   #406
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I know it shows the time it was edited. But anyone can see WHAT i edited?
Not unless they loaded the page prior to your edit, they can't. I don't know what you're getting at, but it's cracking me up. I replied at 3:45 to your final 2:51 edit. I don't know what the hell you posted originally or what was new, I've been doing shit around the house all day, lol.

Not sure how or why that tripped you up, but pass it along, man, it's messing with the wiring!
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Old 03-26-2020, 08:01 PM   #407
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Not unless they loaded the page prior to your edit, they can't.
That's what i do, post my comment, then go back and do my editing with the expectation that some weirdo wont see it during the 2-5 mins it takes me to edit it Maybe i got sidetracked looking at lawn mowers or something lol
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Old 03-27-2020, 12:51 AM   #408
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I've been looking at both the CDC.gov and the Johns Hopkins site to try and see how things are progressing in the US (I don't care much about elsewhere). The thing is the sites rarely agree and I can't figure out why.

You'd think the CDC would have the best, most recent data. But everyone seems to be reporting the Johns Hopkins number. I suspect it is because the JH numbers are higher and more likely to induce scares.

The WHO numbers are Bullshit because, among other things, they are allowing censorship from a place run by Xinie the Pooh and other folks interested in keeping their numbers secret to taint their data.

So, for example on March 26th CDC reported 64k cases in the US and JH reported 85k. What is the real number? Also, CDC isn't keeping good historical track of their increase in numbers since it was 53k yesterday but their charts don't easily indicate where the extra 10k come from.

Basically what they have is a period of 10 days or so where they "fluff" the numbers because that's the incubation time. Then when someone shows up as infected they seem to plug in that infection to the day they "think" the person became infected rather than the day they are actually proven infected.

It totally fucks up the CDC numbers and it seems to be why they are far behind JH.

Johns Hopkins on the other hand has many errors on their website, not the least are some usability errors where you can't, in the first drill down, see how many collective US cases there are because they have them broken into states instead of rolling them up by the whole country.

Finally I found a site that covers for some of the errors on both sites as well as gives a little more data.

It is called Our World In Data and not only does it show the cases but it also shows how fast the virus is advancing. Like the current rate of doubling in the US is 4 days.

This site is very fact based, I didn't find any real spin on it at all. It also has some informative charts to play around with.

For example close to the bottom there's a chart showing Case Fatality Rate. You can add countries to the list and when I add the USA I see that, right now, our CFR stands around on part with South Korea. Of course the site, being non-partisan doesn't say if it will stay there or not, it just gives me interesting data.

You can also see the death toll by age based on data from China, which seems to be holding true everywhere else in the world:



Along with how much co-morbidity factors increased chance of dying:



I recommend it.
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I've been hearing alot of weird things coming out of john hopkins, im ignoring their data. I cant remember where i heard it but there was a clip somewhere that had a lady saying that China did not include asymptomatic patience that tested positive in their data, which would lower the death rate even more. If that's true then we are probably doing the same thing since our numbers are kinda lining up. But then, how many people that are not showing symptoms getting tested.

My prediction before we started nationwide testing was 100K infected and 1000 deaths. I;m gonna be a bit off, not a lot though.
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AMERICA FIRST!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Blame China of course, and not acting in accordance to prevent such a thing. Then again iT's jUsT a fLu, and it will blow over. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I've been hearing alot of weird things coming out of john hopkins, im ignoring their data. I cant remember where i heard it but there was a clip somewhere that had a lady saying that China did not include asymptomatic patience that tested positive in their data, which would lower the death rate even more. If that's true then we are probably doing the same thing since our numbers are kinda lining up. But then, how many people that are not showing symptoms getting tested.

My prediction before we started nationwide testing was 100K infected and 1000 deaths. I;m gonna be a bit off, not a lot though.
If your not showing symptoms. Your not being tested. A friend/co-worker's mother in-law was diagnosed with it earlier this week. The will not test her 78 year old husband because he isn't showing any symptoms.
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I've been looking at both the CDC.gov and the Johns Hopkins site to try and see how things are progressing in the US (I don't care much about elsewhere). The thing is the sites rarely agree and I can't figure out why.

You'd think the CDC would have the best, most recent data. But everyone seems to be reporting the Johns Hopkins number. I suspect it is because the JH numbers are higher and more likely to induce scares.

The WHO numbers are Bullshit because, among other things, they are allowing censorship from a place run by Xinie the Pooh and other folks interested in keeping their numbers secret to taint their data.

So, for example on March 26th CDC reported 64k cases in the US and JH reported 85k. What is the real number? Also, CDC isn't keeping good historical track of their increase in numbers since it was 53k yesterday but their charts don't easily indicate where the extra 10k come from.

Basically what they have is a period of 10 days or so where they "fluff" the numbers because that's the incubation time. Then when someone shows up as infected they seem to plug in that infection to the day they "think" the person became infected rather than the day they are actually proven infected.

It totally fucks up the CDC numbers and it seems to be why they are far behind JH.

Johns Hopkins on the other hand has many errors on their website, not the least are some usability errors where you can't, in the first drill down, see how many collective US cases there are because they have them broken into states instead of rolling them up by the whole country.

Finally I found a site that covers for some of the errors on both sites as well as gives a little more data.

It is called Our World In Data and not only does it show the cases but it also shows how fast the virus is advancing. Like the current rate of doubling in the US is 4 days.

This site is very fact based, I didn't find any real spin on it at all. It also has some informative charts to play around with.

For example close to the bottom there's a chart showing Case Fatality Rate. You can add countries to the list and when I add the USA I see that, right now, our CFR stands around on part with South Korea. Of course the site, being non-partisan doesn't say if it will stay there or not, it just gives me interesting data.

You can also see the death toll by age based on data from China, which seems to be holding true everywhere else in the world:



Along with how much co-morbidity factors increased chance of dying:



I recommend it.
Thanks for sharing! This is really good stuff.
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AMERICA FIRST!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Blame China of course, and not acting in accordance to prevent such a thing. Then again iT's jUsT a fLu, and it will blow over. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Says the guy who keeps blaming america for all the world's problems.

Oh yeah, those bad folks that are mostly concerned about what's going on in their own neighborhood.

Fix yourself, stop ruining your country with socialism, stop being a backwater shithole and dragging everyone else down with you.

Sick of 3rd world countries hanging on to their uncivilized bullshit and becoming cesspools of disease, crime and terrorism threatening the rest of the world.

Many of the most advanced places on earth achieved their prosperity now from being in a state of absolute poverty just a couple decades ago. So what's your excuse? Oh keep blaming America, I guess.
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Well in Myanmar, the govt has tested about 320 people.. out of a population of 53M over the course of 3 months. So considering that 3 of those people tested in the pool of 320 are positive for Coronavirus, it means that that shit has been spreading here undetected for quite a while. Well I guess we are going to be living in interesting times.
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URL="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_ca use_of_death_in_the_us"]Johns Hopkins says so![/URL] Craziness. My wife has two family members who were killed by doctor's actively screwing up. Egregiously so. Her family is better than mine. I would have sued. They didn't, in either case.
Did they have direct evidence that the hospital was at fault? That they screwed up due to negligence for direct mistakes from not following procedures? If not, then it might have been very difficult for them.

My wife died due to what I strongly believe to be negligence on the side of the hospital and in-house physical therapy clinic she was staying at in her last days. She was recovering from a colon disease in the hospital and when I visited her she seemed loopy. I brought this up with the nurses several times and they said it was nothing to worry about and I trusted them. Then she was moved to an in-house physical therapy clinic and they barely looked in on her. She was still acting loopy and I tried to talk to her nurse there but she never was available when I called and she never called me back. The day before I was going to go over there in person and demand things they called me and told me my wife was non-responsive. They transported her back to the hospital and two weeks later she was dead.

I talked to a lawyer about suing and he said it was externally difficult and expensive. You would have to prove beyond a doubt that the hospital was at fault for providing bad service and hospitals have good lawyers who are experts at things like this. He didn't recommend it.
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If your not showing symptoms. Your not being tested. A friend/co-worker's mother in-law was diagnosed with it earlier this week. The will not test her 78 year old husband because he isn't showing any symptoms.
Who is being tested is the big thing to consider. While the percentage of death to number infected seems high, the thing to keep in mind is that there could be a lot more people who are infected and just have not been diagnosed. Death rate is probably pretty close to actual, but number of infected is guaranteed to be lower than reality. How much lower is the question.
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Did they have direct evidence that the hospital was at fault? That they screwed up due to negligence for direct mistakes from not following procedures?
Not sure, but I do know they decided against it before talking with a lawyer, and I would have talked with a lawyer.

I'm not really big on the whole 'woops, you killed someone I love, I forgive you' perspective. I'm all for forgiveness, but I also believe strongly in consequences for actions.

That sounds terrible with your wife's medical care. I can totally see how difficult it could be to prove. You'd almost need an insider to blow the whistle on their fault.
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