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Old 02-24-2018, 11:36 AM   #21
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No one's mentioned US meddling in other countries' elections.
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Old 02-24-2018, 12:37 PM   #22
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No one's mentioned US meddling in other countries' elections.
Or illegally disposing of leaders without congressional approval. *cough cough* Libya.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:14 AM   #23
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Not if there is no evidence of collusion at the State (capital "S")/electoral level. However is it fair to expect such when We (the USA) are guilty of maleficence on the international stage?
Wait a minute. I just want to be clear here. You don't care if other countries try to meddle in our elections? Part of that meddling involved hacking our computer networks. You don't care about that?

You don't care if you have a president that will defend this country against cyber attack by a foreign power? In this case, he has literally not told our defense agencies to do anything.

But, forget Trump and the collusion affair, and the investigation, and partisanship and all of it for just a second. Is there any circumstance you can imagine in which you would not want a foreign power deliberately attacking our country in an attempt to undermine our national strength and security? Is there any circumstance you could imagine in which if a country was determined to be attacking us, you would prefer your president to do anything to defend your country? OR, would you be fine with the attack and fine with the president not doing anything? Because that really surprises the hell out of me.

Where did all of these people go who were so upset about immigrants being a security risk? Do people only care about security risks if they come from places that don't own Trump assets? This isn't Sparta. This is madness!
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:35 AM   #24
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You don't care if you have a president that will defend this country against cyber attack by a foreign power?
"The 80s called. They want their foreign policy back" - Barack Obama regarding Republican concerns about Russia.
"After my election, I have more flexibility." - Barack Obama to Russian president.

Obama did NOTHING of substance about Russia, and in fact allowed Russia to take over Crimea and the eastern half of Ukraine, as well as move into Syria and set up permanent bases in the Middle East.

You're an idiot.
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:10 AM   #25
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Ad hominem argumentation! The fallacious rhetoric is strong with this one!
So, if Obama did something you are ok with Trump doing it even if you hate Obama and everything he did. Makes sense.
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Wait a minute. I just want to be clear here. You don't care if other countries try to meddle in our elections? Part of that meddling involved hacking our computer networks. You don't care about that?
The DNC, Hillary’s home brew email server, Hillary’s unauthorized devices, and the laptop Anthony Weiner used for Pornhub are not “our computer networks”.

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Do you have a serious cite please or just the one sarcastic cite where he asked if the the hackers could help find Hillary’s 33,000 lost emails?

At no point that I recall has Donald Trump every said the US will stop defending itself or (actual) US Government agency cyberspace. In fact I believe he has said exactly the opposite in that the US Government needs to be better at Cybersecurity.

This is getting pretty old, dude. On one hand the idea you and a whole cadre of people think Trump is out there daily sneaking Russian influence in drip by drip and making America worse is pretty funny.

It’s funny because the left don’t see the irony when they try to do the same by undermining him, trying to torpedo amendments, deplatforming speech they don’t like and performing acts of domestic terrorism. The enemy within scares me far more than any Russian boogyman which, after a year and zillion dollars has yet to materialize.
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Old 03-02-2018, 10:19 AM   #27
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The enemy within scares me far more than any Russian boogyman which, after a year and zillion dollars has yet to materialize.
Wow. A. You seem to base your entire gun control policy on the amaghinary boogeyman of venezuealan government attacks against its citizens happening in the US but when Russia actually attacks us you couldn't care less.

B. I'm not talking about collusion. Jesus. I am talking about Russian hackers attacking all kinds of shit as well as all the social media shit that they are still doing. And

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nsa-chi...ing-1519778019

That isn't Trump asking Russia to hack us. That is Trump refusing to enact congressionally approved sanctions and refusing to defend us against russian cyber attacks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...ection-n850296
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Wow. A. You seem to base your entire gun control policy on the amaghinary boogeyman of venezuealan government attacks against its citizens happening in the US but when Russia actually attacks us you couldn't care less.

B. I'm not talking about collusion. Jesus. I am talking about Russian hackers attacking all kinds of shit as well as all the social media shit that they are still doing. And

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nsa-chi...ing-1519778019

That isn't Trump asking Russia to hack us. That is Trump refusing to enact congressionally approved sanctions and refusing to defend us against russian cyber attacks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...ection-n850296
And we hack Russia too, and China and everyone else. That's called reality you dumb fuck. That doesn't equate to Trump deserving to be impeached due to a witch hunt from liberals who refuse to work with him.
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Old 03-04-2018, 09:41 AM   #29
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So, if Obama did something you are ok with Trump doing it even if you hate Obama and everything he did. Makes sense.
The above actually seems to be in line with your thinking. You've dismissed foreign meddling as being an statistically insignificant problem,
despite being provided instances where major elections are won by a statistically insignificant number of votes. Now Russian trolls posting crap on social media is suddenly something that's a huge concern of yours:
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For the record, voter fraud = statistically insignificant problem for election results. Voter turnout actual problem worth addressing.
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Wait a minute. I just want to be clear here. You don't care if other countries try to meddle in our elections? Part of that meddling involved hacking our computer networks. You don't care about that?
Never mind the regular foreign meddling, with illegal citizens marching and demand political action. No, you're evidently fine with that meddling. How about the foreign meddling with the Trump dossier? Nope, not a care there. It's almost as if you care about foreign meddling on a partisan basis.

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That isn't Trump asking Russia to hack us. That is Trump refusing to enact congressionally approved sanctions and refusing to defend us against russian cyber attacks.
As a matter of actual fact, you're incorrect that Trump is "refusing ot defend us against russian cyber attacks. Here is what Rogers actually said:
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While he did not agree with Reed's characterization that the US has been "sitting back and waiting," Rogers admitted that it is fair to say that "we have not opted to engage in some of the same behaviors we are seeing" with regards to Russia.
"It has not changed the calculus or the behavior on behalf of the Russians," Rogers said about the US response to Russia's cyber threat to date.
"They have not paid a price that is sufficient to change their behavior," he added.
As for sanctions, Trump has signed sanctions against Russia into law. The complaint is that he's either not enacting them. Now there are other areas where the U.S. is taking steps to punish Russia. CNN: US allowing Ukraine to buy arms from US companies. The Trump administation has also given Ukraine night vision and worked to deploy missile defense to parts of Europe where Obama refused to. Then there is the part where the U.S. reportedly killed or wounded around 300 Russians in Syria.

So, it's completely false that Trump is "refusing" to defend the U.S. against Russian cyber-attacks. Now he may not being doing what you want him to do, but your statement remains wrong.

You're so concerned with Russian hacking but don't see how Hillary's illegal private server which housed highly classified information was an egregious crime that was allowed.
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blargh!
That wasn't an ad hominem attack on my part, it was the proper labeling of a moron in action. Additionally, I'm reasonably pleased with the progress Trump has made in implementing conservative policies; a faster pace than Reagan at the same time in his administration! Thanks Hillary! lol...

You're welcome for the clarification. Hope it helps.
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