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Old 11-24-2017, 03:01 PM   #1
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UK Gambling Commission weighs in on how it can - and can't - regulate loot boxes


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The loot box debate has hit the mainstream media in a big way in the past couple of weeks, specifically due to their appearance in Star Wars: Battlefront 2, resulting in both Belgian and Hawaiian authorities calling for a ban and launching investigations into the practice. But what about the UK Gambling Commission, which has stayed fairly quiet about the issue. Will it launch its own investigation anytime soon?

In short, the answer seems to be no. That's according to an official blog post from the Gambling Commission's executive director Tim Miller, which addresses concerns about loot boxes in video games.

Parliament is responsible for setting the definition of what is legally classed as gambling and the Gambling Commission simply enforces the laws laid down, the blog states.

"The law sets a line between what is and is not gambling," Miller wrote. "As the regulator we patrol that line and where an activity crosses it and presents a risk to people, especially children, we have and will take robust action."

The line is crossed, the Gambling Commission says, when players have the ability to cash out.
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Except the player doesn't cash out. As there's no cash ever going to the player. This is fucking stupid. Hey government get the fuck out of my hobby and arrest the fucking Clintons already, k thx.
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Old 11-24-2017, 03:40 PM   #3
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Except the player doesn't cash out. As there's no cash ever going to the player. This is fucking stupid. Hey government get the fuck out of my hobby and arrest the fucking Clintons already, k thx.
Haha.

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Old 11-24-2017, 03:54 PM   #4
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Except the player doesn't cash out. As there's no cash ever going to the player. This is fucking stupid. Hey government get the fuck out of my hobby and arrest the fucking Clintons already, k thx.
The gambling commision is saying this isn't gambling and they can't step in, meanwhile..

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However, many parents are not interested in whether an activity meets a legal definition of ‘gambling’. Their main concern is whether there is a product out there that could present a risk to their children.
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!

Oh and don't hold your breath about Hillary getting arrested, Donny, Bill and Hillary are BFFs and that "crooked Hillary" shit is just a smoke screen to keep both sides happy.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:04 PM   #5
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The gambling commision is saying this isn't gambling and they can't step in, meanwhile..



Oh won't someone think of the children!!!

Oh and don't hold your breath about Hillary getting arrested, Donny, Bill and Hillary are BFFs and that "crooked Hillary" shit is just a smoke screen to keep both sides happy.
Yeah it's always about the children isn't it? Especially when they're being indoctrinated. Saw this in a comment today on another site and it really made me go yep I don't get it either.

"If you're white and still voting democrat in 2017 you're a virtue signaling cuckold, plain and simple" There's a reason democrats don't want immigration reform and want to flood countries with migrant refugees. They all vote left wing.
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Old 11-24-2017, 06:03 PM   #6
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So that's the UK stance on the issue. Welcome to AMERICA, however, where progressives in the bureaucracy enforce the law as they see it and interpret it, not as it was written, lol. It's a living, breathing document after all, and I look forward to progressive gaming companies like EA and Disney facing late night sweats and panic attacks that their buddies in the 'gummit' aren't controlling all the levers and won't be able to protect them from oversight.

Go get 'em. The law is whatever you say it is. That's what I've learned from progressives and their approach to the constitution. Let's run with it. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
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Old 11-24-2017, 06:20 PM   #7
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"If you're white and still voting democrat in 2017 you're a virtue signaling cuckold, plain and simple" There's a reason democrats don't want immigration reform and want to flood countries with migrant refugees. They all vote left wing.
I honestly hate that its come to this, its legit heartbreaking. But as America further diversifies the minority groups will overwhelmingly unite under the democrat party that panders to them and points the finger at whites. Why these minorities respond to this tactic is a whole other topic. Whites will be run off to the independent or Republican party, its happening now. The dems are about to be relegated to the 1-3 counties per state where the cities are.

There is a very small window left to fix it, 10s of Millions of immigrants will have to go home. And atm i do think that's going to happen. There is no going back to the previous trajectory, it was done low key and without the peoples approval. That's over now.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:02 PM   #8
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I honestly hate that its come to this, its legit heartbreaking. But as America further diversifies the minority groups will overwhelmingly unite under the democrat party that panders to them and points the finger at whites. Why these minorities respond to this tactic is a whole other topic. Whites will be run off to the independent or Republican party, its happening now. The dems are about to be relegated to the 1-3 counties per state where the cities are.

There is a very small window left to fix it, 10s of Millions of immigrants will have to go home. And atm i do think that's going to happen. There is no going back to the previous trajectory, it was done low key and without the peoples approval. That's over now.
I hate it too to be honest, this started after JFK was assassinated by his own people. Those on the left realized then if we don't start playing identity politics we'll never stay in power. It took decades but now people are finally waking up to just how destructive progressive policy is on the whole, to the American family, to the economy, to our culture. I think it's too early to tell if Trump will actually make a difference as he seems to still kowtow to Israel who are really some of the main perpetrators of it going back to before WW2.

I find it incredibly interesting that Western countries should take all these rapeugies but Israel won't take any, that's by design and it's so blatantly obvious.

Again ending Sanctuary cities period, and requiring ID to vote in any state would go a long way to fixing the mess the left has put us in.
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Old 11-25-2017, 03:16 AM   #9
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Yeah well done EA your going to force governments to legislate! which probably means other meddling down the line.

Ultimately the gambling commission are simply implementing/interpreting policy/legislation to the letter. In the UK however if the EU implement a ban then the UK will also implement that directive as that's the current plan post Brexit though we can ignore it. Will the UK ignore EU directives?.. seriously doubt it if we want to trade there.

Overall as usual companies go too far and really take the piss so much that they force someone to come in and play nice.

If you demonstrate you can't play nice someone will make you.. EA and a few others have been the kids running around screaming, throwing toys around and hitting the other kids... so here comes the implementation the naughty step for all which will end up being used for even minor perceived discretions. Well done morons.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:10 AM   #10
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Politics aside, I do think it's a good idea to mandate that potential outcomes be outlined when investing real money in virtual products when those items relate to progression or other non-cosmetic aspects of the game.

Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes had a lootbox mechanic where you could get anywhere from 10-330 (max Rank 7 amount) of shards to unlock or power up characters. Without knowing the loot table or percentage chance of getting what amount, you're essentially flying blind as to whether your purchase is better than some of the other options that are available to get shards for a character.

Just display the damn odds and stop being shitty to your customers by preying on their ignorance and impulsiveness. We're not Han Solo. Otherwise I'm just fine with lootboxes.
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Politics aside, I do think it's a good idea to mandate that potential outcomes be outlined when investing real money in virtual products when those items relate to progression or other non-cosmetic aspects of the game.

Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes had a lootbox mechanic where you could get anywhere from 10-330 (max Rank 7 amount) of shards to unlock or power up characters. Without knowing the loot table or percentage chance of getting what amount, you're essentially flying blind as to whether your purchase is better than some of the other options that are available to get shards for a character.

Just display the damn odds and stop being shitty to your customers by preying on their ignorance and impulsiveness. We're not Han Solo. Otherwise I'm just fine with lootboxes.
I'm baffled as to why there is even a tolerance for the idea that the government needs to step in.

Just... don't buy the game. It's easy. I'm not. Buy some other game. Buy Super Star Wars. That will take you a good 2 years to beat if you play every day. By the time you look up, there will be a new Star Wars game out without any of this crap because nobody bought it.
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:26 AM   #12
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What about games like CS:Go where you can cash out (via the Steam Marketplace) or OPSkins for 10s, 100s, 1000s, or even 10,000s of bucks, Euros, or British Sterling, etc.?

Sure, technically the items never leave the game ecosystem but there are people who make their living buying, selling, and even using skins as to back bets. There was a lawsuit about it just last year. It didn't go anywhere but the fact it was filed at all is a step in the wrong direction.

Also remember earlier this year China mandated any game with loot boxes MUST display the odds of winning items. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen in Western countries. After all games of chance often have disclaimers giving the odds.

I vaguely remember hearing there is consideration for Casinos to be required to adhere to odds standards for their machines and table games. I could be wrong but I don't remember if they have to post them publicly like state lotteries are required but if a casino regulated by a state gambling commision says their slots pay out 95% they have to prove out 95% aggregate payout over an increment of time. I'm reasonably sure tribal casinos are not held to the same standard; they'd be run by the tribal governing body.

It wouldn't take much to change the language of that rule to make it applicable to video game loot boxes. If you can find someone in the Government who understands what they're actually talking about. I'm not sure I want anyone like the Nancy "We need to pass the law before we know what's in it" Pelosi or someone who has to ask their teenager for advice running with this type of thing.
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What about games like CS:Go where you can cash out (via the Steam Marketplace) or OPSkins for 10s, 100s, 1000s, or even 10,000s of bucks, Euros, or British Sterling, etc.?

Sure, technically the items never leave the game ecosystem but there are people who make their living buying, selling, and even using skins as to back bets. There was a lawsuit about it just last year. It didn't go anywhere but the fact it was filed at all is a step in the wrong direction.

Also remember earlier this year China mandated any game with loot boxes MUST display the odds of winning items. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen in Western countries. After all games of chance often have disclaimers giving the odds.

I vaguely remember hearing there is consideration for Casinos to be required to adhere to odds standards for their machines and table games. I could be wrong but I don't remember if they have to post them publicly like state lotteries are required but if a casino regulated by a state gambling commision says their slots pay out 95% they have to prove out 95% aggregate payout over an increment of time. I'm reasonably sure tribal casinos are not held to the same standard; they'd be run by the tribal governing body.

It wouldn't take much to change the language of that rule to make it applicable to video game loot boxes. If you can find someone in the Government who understands what they're actually talking about. I'm not sure I want anyone like the Nancy "We need to pass the law before we know what's in it" Pelosi or someone who has to ask their teenager for advice running with this type of thing.
That's easy Valor, EA didn't make CS GO. People will only rage and get their panties tied up when it's oh so evil Electronic Arts. It's that whole double standard thing you see alot today.
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That's easy Valor, EA didn't make CS GO. People will only rage and get their panties tied up when it's oh so evil Electronic Arts. It's that whole double standard thing you see alot today.
Of course, I forgot. The House of Gaben can do no wrong when it comes to most of the folks on this forum.

Thanks for the reminder.
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Except the player doesn't cash out. As there's no cash ever going to the player. This is fucking stupid. Hey government get the fuck out of my hobby and arrest the fucking Clintons already, k thx.
Amen brother.
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