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Old 11-29-2017, 06:43 PM   #21
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Weird Spiderman factoid: I saw a thing where they commented that Tom Holland patterned his character of Peter Parker after Marty McFly. I found that astonishing since, after I hear it, I realized Holland is doing a dead-on Michael J. Fox impression. I hadn't noticed but once you see it, it's hard not to see it.
And that is why it worked. Michael J Fox was in no way a teenager in the films, but he sold his character by being so damned enthusiastic and energetic in everything he did. You definitely see this in Tom Holland's take as Peter Parker/Spider-Man. The voicing is particularly McFly-esque
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Old 11-29-2017, 06:45 PM   #22
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If it has Dr Strange in it, I'm seeing it.
I think everyone especially comic fans will go see it.

Its too big to be ignore.
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Old 11-29-2017, 06:48 PM   #23
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ILM has been handling the CG for the Marvel movies for years.
I never mentioned Marvel...
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Old 11-29-2017, 06:56 PM   #24
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I honestly thought this trailer looked ungodly dull. It has a hundred characters, but virtually no story is on display here other than an excuse to have a big battle scene with crap tactic CGI.

Winter Soldier felt like it was about something. Spider-Man at least attempted to make the villain an actual character.

This just looks like a two hour cartoon. The only thing missing is some bad voice work and it could be any generic anime toon.
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Old 11-29-2017, 06:57 PM   #25
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I haven't looked into Wonder Woman specifically, but many times when the CGI in a big budget movie is shit it's because one of the producers convinced the film company to hire a relatively unknown CG studio to do the work.
What often happens is that several effect studios will try to get the job by sending in lower and lower bids. If they produce a bid which is exceptionally low, they use lower tiered talent or will fast track the production. You see this often with mid-level effects houses like Double Negative and Weta Workshop, but even ILM is known for being stingy on some productions. When you pay top dollar, they can produce top results (see anything David Fincher), but if you force them into bidding wars, they often produce some pretty mediocre work (See anything Sony). Wonder Woman and Justice League were primarily driven by Double Negatives VFX work, and I bet WB payed them relatively low for their work.
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Old 11-29-2017, 09:42 PM   #26
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You... you know WW isn't Marvel, right?
Yeah, I do. It was more in reference to the, "but many times..." part of the comment.
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:45 PM   #27
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I honestly thought this trailer looked ungodly dull. It has a hundred characters, but virtually no story is on display here other than an excuse to have a big battle scene with crap tactic CGI.
Well, I mean, that's not the point of this trailer.

The poitn of the trailer was pretty much just to show off that "hundred characters".

"Look how many people are in this thing!".

You'll get a story trailer next.
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Old 11-30-2017, 01:07 AM   #28
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I don't know how DisneyMarvel Studios keeps doing it, I just hope they keep doing it.
Credit where its due. You wouldn't wonder how Activision Blizzard keeps doing it with Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm. Disney bought the rights to the profits from the Marvel business unit, that's mostly it, considering they have been a golden goose since 2008.
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Old 11-30-2017, 01:27 AM   #29
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...and useless F-22s...
Hey now, they aren't useless!

The DoD pays GOOD money to have their expensive useless toys and idealized versions of their rank-and-file grunts portrayed on the silver screen in positive glowing light (as well as to the NFL). Gotta fill up those recruitment lines with brainwashees VOLUNTEERS!
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Old 11-30-2017, 01:40 AM   #30
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What often happens is that several effect studios will try to get the job by sending in lower and lower bids.
Also, every big FX film has at least five different VFX companies working on different parts of the movie, and it shows. The first time I actually noticed this was during the making-of of "Iron Man", where they explained that a different team was brought in to work exclusively on the (brilliant) HUD visualization.

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[...], but even ILM is known for being stingy on some productions. When you pay top dollar, they can produce top results (see anything David Fincher), but if you force them into bidding wars, they often produce some pretty mediocre work (See anything Sony).
Does anyone remember the effects in the "Spawn" movie? I do. We were so disappointed, and the general consensus was that ILM must have spent their whole budget on the cape animation, before they realized that they had another 80 minutes to fill.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:07 AM   #31
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Remember the prequel/reboot to "The Thing" a few years back? That movie was notorious for how they filmed it all with great practical effects like the John Carpenter version, then a certain person involved convinced the studio to put millions of dollars into a new vfx company in order to redo everything with "modern" computer graphics. Well, the cgi sucked ass, but this guy and I think his brother in law who owned the company became very rich.
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Old 11-30-2017, 11:39 AM   #32
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Also, every big FX film has at least five different VFX companies working on different parts of the movie, and it shows. The first time I actually noticed this was during the making-of of "Iron Man", where they explained that a different team was brought in to work exclusively on the (brilliant) HUD visualization.
If you sit through the credits for any big budget movie (like Thor and Justice League) which almost everyone does especially for comic movies these days for the end credits sequences, you'll see better than half the credits are for dozens of VFX houses who contributed to making the movie. Literally dozens.

TL;DR: Bad CGI can almost always be laid at the feet of the Production team's Director and Art Director or one of their secondaries, but mostly the mains.

If you see bad CGI it's:

1) Because the Art Director and team, Director and team (including main and secondaries) on the production crew aren't doing THEIR job of intaking and quality control

2) They are too far behind schedule so they compromise with rushed and poor quality assets in.

3) Someone in the business team fucked up and wasn't specific on quality expectations when they wrote the Statement of Work which allowed some company to slip in poor assets

4) The production crew asked for something not technically possible and knew it was a risk but rather than work around or cut the terribad thing they tried to shoehorn it in anyway.

5) They don't budget properly for the CGI shots.

Of course there is always:

6) They don't know what good CGI looks like. When I watched the Narnia movies I was surprised how bad the CGI was. I don't know if it was too uncanny valley or just shitty but it was *off* in such an obvious way that, for me, significantly detracted from the movie.
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Old 11-30-2017, 06:27 PM   #33
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After watching it a few times, this trailer gives away quite a few plot points. I did a google search and found others agree.

All theory, but possible spoilers ahead:

  • Thor and the Asgardians run into Thanos and he kills them all (well, except for Thor and Loki)? Note the scene where Loki's feet are walking over the bodies.
  • Loki hands over the Tesseract giving Thanos the blue stone, but he has another one: The purple stone (from Guardians 1). What happened to Xandar then? My guess is he destroyed it and that is probably why the Guardians are involved.
  • Bruce Banner is standing in front of the Hulkbuster armor with Cap, meaning that's probably him wearing it in the battle scenes. So then what happened to the Hulk? I doubt Hulk would wear it.


And the biggie:

  • Spider Man is the first to see Thanos on earth and appears to take him on all by himself. And gets the crap beat out of him. Something really has Tony distraught, so much so he looks like he has been crying at one point. Thanos kills Peter Parker?


I don't see this movie being the happy joy-fest like previous ones. I have a feeling this one will be very dark and end badly (setting up for part 2).
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:01 PM   #34
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I don't see this movie being the happy joy-fest like previous ones.
Good! Just don't let it be like the Three Stooges: Ragnarok film, please. :facepalm:
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After watching it a few times, this trailer gives away quite a few plot points. I did a google search and found others agree.

All theory, but possible spoilers ahead:

  • Thor and the Asgardians run into Thanos and he kills them all (well, except for Thor and Loki)? Note the scene where Loki's feet are walking over the bodies.
  • Loki hands over the Tesseract giving Thanos the blue stone, but he has another one: The purple stone (from Guardians 1). What happened to Xandar then? My guess is he destroyed it and that is probably why the Guardians are involved.
  • Bruce Banner is standing in front of the Hulkbuster armor with Cap, meaning that's probably him wearing it in the battle scenes. So then what happened to the Hulk? I doubt Hulk would wear it.


And the biggie:

  • Spider Man is the first to see Thanos on earth and appears to take him on all by himself. And gets the crap beat out of him. Something really has Tony distraught, so much so he looks like he has been crying at one point. Thanos kills Peter Parker?


I don't see this movie being the happy joy-fest like previous ones. I have a feeling this one will be very dark and end badly (setting up for part 2).
Well clearly Thanos doesn't kill Peter Parker since there's another Spiderman movie coming. And there isn't going to be a part 2.

They had originally announced the films as Infinity War Part 1 and Part 2, but they scratched that plan when the Russo Brothers took it over.

I think the idea now is that Infinity War is the definite closing of the third phase of Marvel films and that the next film is the first Phase 4 film that will determine who the leading Marvel Heroes will be going forward.

And just to say it, I think some people might think that Marvel could sidestep the agreement they have with Sony by putting some other Spider character in the suit instead of Peter Parker, but my understanding is that the contract is pretty air tight to keep just that very thing from happening.
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:28 AM   #36
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They had originally announced the films as Infinity War Part 1 and Part 2, but they scratched that plan when the Russo Brothers took it over.

I think the idea now is that Infinity War is the definite closing of the third phase of Marvel films and that the next film is the first Phase 4 film that will determine who the leading Marvel Heroes will be going forward.
Avengers 4, not Infinity War, is acting as a sort of finale for the current form of the MCU. It will, of course, continue on...but, the film formerly known as Infinity War Part 2 will be what you're describing. They filmed Avengers 3 and 4 back to back; while they're not as inextricably linked as they initially were, they're still very much related.

Also, Peter Parker isn't going to die. They wouldn't have gone through all of the trouble of bringing the character in just to off him in his third appearance, especially with all of the other Spider-Man movies on the docket.
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I'm hoping Gwyneth Paltrow's character dies. She's been setup as a throwaway character in the last few movies. And she's terrible.
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Well clearly Thanos doesn't kill Peter Parker since there's another Spiderman movie coming.
(Potential spoilers ahead, but probably not since I'm just guessing.)

True but... Just because someone dies in the MCU doesn't mean they stay dead, especially not when they have the time gem. Didn't Wong, who appears in this trailer, die at some point in Doctor Strange?

Another theory could be due to these movies not being sequential all the time. The Incredible Hulk happened in the timeline at the same time as (in the MCU) Thor and Iron Man 2. Captain America 1, which came out after those, happened before them in the timeline. The sequel could be prior to the events of Infinity War.

And anyway, they did introduce Adam Warlock at the end of Guardians 2. It's possible that Thanos destroys a lot and Adam undoes it. That was my guess for what would happen in "part 2".

But regardless, this is just armchair plot guessing at it's finest!

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And there isn't going to be a part 2 [...] I think the idea now is that Infinity War is the definite closing of the third phase of Marvel films and that the next film is the first Phase 4 film that will determine who the leading Marvel Heroes will be going forward.
I haven't been keeping up with that, but I really hope do. I don't want a dark cliff-hanger to end this. But even though the next Avengers movie won't be a part 2, it's possible there will be a kind of "shakeup" cliffhanger ala Civil War.
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Rumors abound that a few of the cast are looking to exit the MCU. With that, I'm guessing at least a couple characters will die fighting Thanos, or at the very least will hang up their tights by the end of Avengers 4.
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(Potential spoilers ahead, but probably not since I'm just guessing.)

True but... Just because someone dies in the MCU doesn't mean they stay dead, especially not when they have the time gem. Didn't Wong, who appears in this trailer, die at some point in Doctor Strange?
This would be a cop-out and completely undermine the emotional impact of a character death.

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Another theory could be due to these movies not being sequential all the time. The Incredible Hulk happened in the timeline at the same time as (in the MCU) Thor and Iron Man 2. Captain America 1, which came out after those, happened before them in the timeline. The sequel could be prior to the events of Infinity War.
This would be a cop-out and not only undermines the character's death, but also removes most of the reason for bothering with a particular story; it doesn't matter what happens, because we know the character will die in a later story.

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And anyway, they did introduce Adam Warlock at the end of Guardians 2. It's possible that Thanos destroys a lot and Adam undoes it. That was my guess for what would happen in "part 2".
This would be a cop-out because of the aforementioned reasons.
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