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Old 02-10-2012, 12:25 AM   #1
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Blizzard and Valve Fighting Legal Battle Over DOTA


Kotaku is reporting that Blizzard is trying to fight Valve in court over use of the DOTA name.

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Blizzard once made a game called WarCraft III. Then someone made an awesome mod for it called DOTA. Then Valve decided to make a game called DOTA 2. Then Blizzard decided to make something called Blizzard DOTA.

And now Blizzard is fighting a legal battle with Valve over the whole thing. What a mess.

Two of the most successful and popular PC developers of all time are squaring off in court over the use of the term DOTA, which stands for Defence of the Ancients.

In 2010, Valve - who is working on a successor to the original called DOTA 2 - began attempts to trademark the word "DOTA", despite the fact it had no historical connection to the property or the genre. At the time, Blizzard said some unkind things publicly about the move, but didn't seem to take things any further.

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Old 02-10-2012, 01:36 AM   #2
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Blizzard has lost me as a supporter, so I think I'd root for Valve in this fight.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:39 AM   #3
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Well what a shock, nuisance suits designed to harm a competitor. Seems like Activision has finished corrupting Blizzard's soul.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:47 AM   #4
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Well what a shock, nuisance suits designed to harm a competitor. Seems like Activision has finished corrupting Blizzard's soul.
To be fair, DOTA was originally a mod / custom map for Warcaft 3.

When you install any Blizzard game that has one of their map editors, i.e. Starcraft, Warcraft, etc you can bet somewhere in the Terms of Service / EULA it says that at any time whatever you have made with their editor Blizzard can claim as their own.

So while originally DOTA was a WCIII custom map, that the user IceFrog eventually took over production of, it's well within Blizzard's legal arm of the law to say "Hey, you may have made this but we own it".

Now is it a dick move to pull? That's up to personal opinion. Honestly I'm surprised Blizzard has not "pulled rank" on DOTA for so long, I mean it pretty much spawned the entire MOBA genre for games like League of Legends, Heroes of Newerth, Bloodline Champions, Demigod, etc etc etc (I always preferred HoN myself).

What would have been nice would have been once DOTA became big in WCIII prior to IceFrog taking over it's development, would be for Blizzard to go "hey this custom map is getting millions of plays and there is a whole sub-genre competitive scene for it, we should hire it's creator and go full throttle with it". Alas they didnt do that

So if Kotick and Newell duke it out in court, who has the bigger pocket book to fight it out?
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:00 AM   #5
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when valve took it as their own I raised a brow, if I were Blizzard I wouldn't let them walk away with it , especially if they try to Trademark it ... as been said, it was a mod for WC3. Valve has no right.

However I would be happy to see both companies use the name and if I had been Blizzard I'd say "sure, use the name, just don't treat it as your trademark", but I'm not Blizzard and probably Blizzard and Co. are much more greedy then me ...

I believe Notch would take my approach, but he's not Blizzard
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:29 AM   #6
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Well what a shock, nuisance suits designed to harm a competitor. Seems like Activision has finished corrupting Blizzard's soul.
Why is Blizzard in the wrong? DODA was originally a mod for Warcraft 3. Valve has basically no right to it as opposed to Blizzard who well, does. Whether there should be a legal battle over it is a different story, however the DODA name has alot of recognition behind it now and with both companies making a game based on it, it only makes sense for someone to fight for it.

Why is it that Valve can do no wrong but everything Blizzard does is wrong?
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:32 AM   #7
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Not to mention, it was valve who started it in the first place by attempting to copyright the name. if anything, Blizzard has every right to fight for it.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:13 AM   #8
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Yeah, my first thought with the name was that this is a bad idea on Valve's behalf. Mav nailed this on the head. I see both sides of it, just don't see how Valve can come away clean from this one...
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:15 AM   #9
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Their only argument actually could be over the name DOTA2. It implies Defense of the Ancients 2, but it never overtly states that is the name of the game. Like I said, the outcome of this will be interesting. Still love me some Valve!
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:16 AM   #10
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Won't somebody please think of the Ancients?
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:25 AM   #11
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Why is Blizzard in the wrong? DODA was originally a mod for Warcraft 3. Valve has basically no right to it as opposed to Blizzard who well, does. Whether there should be a legal battle over it is a different story, however the DODA name has alot of recognition behind it now and with both companies making a game based on it, it only makes sense for someone to fight for it.

Why is it that Valve can do no wrong but everything Blizzard does is wrong?
Isn't (one of) the creator(s) of the original DOTA a Valve employee now? And if, shouldn't he have the rights?

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Old 02-10-2012, 04:37 AM   #12
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Isn't (one of) the creator(s) of the original DOTA a Valve employee now? And if, shouldn't he have the rights?

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No because originally it was a mod created solely for use on Warcraft 3. It was based on figures found within a Blizzard game. What happened was that Valve stepped forth and attempted to claim they did, and Blizzard was like, "whoa hang on buddy, we have as much right as you do, if not more." Am not saying Valve are the bad guys here because they are just trying to protect their interests, but they were the ones who began it by attempting to copyright something they have no right to copyright. And Blizzard is just fighting against that. Its not greedy on a companys part to fight against something like that, so I am not sure why Blizzard is being painted in a negative light.

Personally I think the term is too widely known to be used by any company. However Valve did start it, and Blizzard are attempting to stop it.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:59 AM   #13
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Sure took them long enough. Very nicely timed to make sure they'd put enough development time into it to be a huge loss if it got delayed for a namechange.

Can I just hate on Blizzard anyway because of how much I loathe the company itself, even if they've technically got the law on their side?
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:30 AM   #14
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That's like Hammermill trying to get the rights to everything I've ever drawn because it required the use of their paper.

IMHO, the ONLY people who should have a beef with anyone using "DOTA" are the people who worked on it in the past. What Icefrog did was a tad shiesty, but seriously, more power to him. He was in charge of the IP at the time.

Is Blizzard going to start court battles over "tower defense" next?
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That's like Hammermill trying to get the rights to everything I've ever drawn because it required the use of their paper.

IMHO, the ONLY people who should have a beef with anyone using "DOTA" are the people who worked on it in the past. What Icefrog did was a tad shiesty, but seriously, more power to him. He was in charge of the IP at the time.

Is Blizzard going to start court battles over "tower defense" next?
But Blizzard isnt chasing the copyright itself, they are just stopping Valve from getting it. I really dont see why people have a problem with that. It means that effectively DODA is a free license to be used by essentially anyone. is that a bad thing? If someone wanted to copyright Tower Defense I fully expect them to be stopped in a legal battle as well.
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But Blizzard isnt chasing the copyright itself, they are just stopping Valve from getting it. I really dont see why people have a problem with that. It means that effectively DODA is a free license to be used by essentially anyone. is that a bad thing? If someone wanted to copyright Tower Defense I fully expect them to be stopped in a legal battle as well.
But, shouldn't IceFrog have some claim to it? I know he didn't create it, but he was the guy in charge at the time. He's a Valve employee now, working on DOTA 2. Like I said, I know it was a tad underhanded how all of that went down, but you can't argue that he was the guy to talk to at the time if you wanted to use the name. Valve did it, hired him and started development, then all of a sudden Blizzard comes out with a DOTA game. Is anone who was involved with DOTA working on the Blizzard version? Right now, it looks like an IP grab by Blizzard.

Valve is just doing what they always do. Taking a mod, hiring the team and turning it into a retail product. Team Fortress was a Quake mod, did id Software complain? Alien Swarm was a UT2kX mod, did Epic Games complain?

Blizzard isn't chasing the trademark? No, but they are trying to use it for their own products, and thus far, I've seen nothing pointing to the fact that they've given anything back to the developers who created it, like Valve has.
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:23 AM   #17
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Lot of armchair legal speculation going on around here. Did the guy that created DOTA get PAID? Fuck Blizzard, Valve FTW!
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:39 AM   #18
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I don't understand all the Valve bashing and Blizzard apologizing in this thread. No other game publisher has ever tried to claim that they owned the rights to a mod that was created for their engine, simply because it was created with their engine.
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I don't understand all the Valve bashing and Blizzard apologizing in this thread. No other game publisher has ever tried to claim that they owned the rights to a mod that was created for their engine, simply because it was created with their engine.
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This is why Value has the loyal supporters it does. Blizzard has reached a new low.
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