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Old 11-14-2018, 03:53 PM   #21
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The problem with something like Valerian, is that it is a modern film
That's the problem with Valerian? Not the shitty casting? Or shitty acting? Or garbage story?

DeHaan and Delevingne are not Willis and Jovovich. My God, DeHaan and Delevingne SUCK. Just thinking about their acting in Valerian makes me cringe. Terrible. So....terrible.
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Old 11-14-2018, 04:21 PM   #22
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I've not seen the film, so I can't comment on its quality. I was just giving some perspective on how something can be a cult classic but failing to get any return, or failing miserably, at the box office.
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Old 11-14-2018, 05:25 PM   #23
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Valerian will never be a cult classic. It has nothing memorable or unique to offer. Thirty years after Blade Runner people were still talking about it. Twenty years after Fifth Element it's still a favorite. Fifty years from now both movies will be remembered. Valerian is forgotten already.

If you never saw Valerian take The Fifth Element and replace the lead cast with dead fish and mashup the world with the Star Wars prequels.
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:16 PM   #24
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I feel really bad for you guys who trash movies based on the CGI present. It's like you'll never see a scifi or fantansy movie you like ever again, because it's basically impossible to bring these big ideas to the screen in a compelling way without animating it in some form or fashion.

Also, agree that a Patlabor would be dope AF, if done in a similar vein. Love seeing mechs dropping lead in any setting.
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:27 PM   #25
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Valerian is forgotten already.
Truth. I think it's been mentioned more in this thread than by anyone else since it left theaters.
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Generally, cult classics are the ones that failed the most. Blade Runner, Abyss, Boondock Saints, etc. They were commercial failures, but gained new life when they were re-released as Director's Cuts or were made available for rental/purchase. The problem with something like Valerian, is that it is a modern film, so it is not something that will be talked about inbetween classes in college, during lunch in primary school, or passed from friend to friend. There is just too much content available at any given point that people will just watch something "better" without really giving it a chance.
It also usually takes years for a movie to hit cult status; it tends to be a slow burn process. In the case of Blade Runner, what helped that film was the fact that it influenced so many other properties that ultimately became more popular initially than Blade Runner ever was in 1982. Its name was mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Ghost in the Shell and The Matrix and it helped spawn the visual style for the entire cyberpunk genre. Essentially, it helped influence enough stuff that people were drawn back to it and it eventually became a cult hit.

The only thing Valerian will have going for it in the years to come is that it was a sci-fi movie directed by the person who brought us The Fifth Element and it bombed. Folks will probably check it out simply because of that in a few years time.
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It also usually takes years for a movie to hit cult status; it tends to be a slow burn process. In the case of Blade Runner, what helped that film was the fact that it influenced so many other properties that ultimately became more popular initially than Blade Runner ever was in 1982. Its name was mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Ghost in the Shell and The Matrix and it helped spawn the visual style for the entire cyberpunk genre. Essentially, it helped influence enough stuff that people were drawn back to it and it eventually became a cult hit.

The only thing Valerian will have going for it in the years to come is that it was a sci-fi movie directed by the person who brought us The Fifth Element and it bombed. Folks will probably check it out simply because of that in a few years time.
You kinda make my point though, Fifth Element bombed when it was released and was widely considered a terrible movie. It really almost wasn't until the release of the blu-ray format that it just took off and became the beloved hit that we all acknowledge that it is. I think Valerian will be about the same, it will languish as a little known film for a long time and then people will kinda discover it.

Sure it will never be as huge as Fifth Element, because the main stars aren't as good, but I do think that as more and more people see it you will see the attitude toward it change.
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I know I'm late to the party, but this movie just doesn't attract me at all. I like Robert Rodriguez for things like Sin City and producing Predators, but regardless, this one looks worse than Ghost in the Shell. Which was forgettable. I hope I'm wrong, but Rodriguez films that he has directed are very hit or miss, and visually this looks weird, perhaps because I never read the books.


This was supposed to come out in December, around Aquaman and Mortal Engines. Good thing it moved. I will maybe watch it. I have the AMC moviepass thing.
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Old 11-15-2018, 07:35 AM   #29
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You kinda make my point though, Fifth Element bombed when it was released...
Uh...no. It didn't.

It was #1 at the box office during its opening weekend and took in $17 million. It was a box office success and took in $263 million over the course of its entire run, which far exceeded its $90 million budget. It was 1997's ninth-highest grossing film worldwide. Audiences loved the movie right from the get-go.

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Audiences pretty much loved the movie. Critics were divided on it, though; it was a divisive film.

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It really almost wasn't until the release of the blu-ray format that it just took off and became the beloved hit that we all acknowledge that it is.
Honestly, I'm not sure where you get this stuff. The movie was an immediate cultural phenomenon and has been part of the cultural zeitgeist for two decades.

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The overall response to Valerian was a complete polar opposite to The Fifth Element; the latter was a smash hit out of the gate and has been a part of pop culture ever since, while the former just fizzled and was largely forgotten.

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Sure it will never be as huge as Fifth Element, because the main stars aren't as good, but I do think that as more and more people see it you will see the attitude toward it change.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this come to pass in 15-ish years, or so.
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Uh...no. It didn't.

It was #1 at the box office during its opening weekend and took in $17 million. It was a box office success and took in $263 million over the course of its entire run, which far exceeded its $90 million budget. It was 1997's ninth-highest grossing film worldwide. Audiences loved the movie right from the get-go.



Audiences pretty much loved the movie. Critics were divided on it, though; it was a divisive film.



Honestly, I'm not sure where you get this stuff. The movie was an immediate cultural phenomenon and has been part of the cultural zeitgeist for two decades.



The overall response to Valerian was a complete polar opposite to The Fifth Element; the latter was a smash hit out of the gate and has been a part of pop culture ever since, while the former just fizzled and was largely forgotten.



I wouldn't be surprised to see this come to pass in 15-ish years, or so.
EA seems to tell *his truth* more that THE truth some times, but I must agree that Valerian was much better than it was made out to be. I expected crap and instead it was cool. 5th Element was a surprise hit, and will always be a classic because of Leeloo and Chris Tucker.


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... it just took off and became the beloved hit that we all acknowledge that it is.
Oh you...you...silly.

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That's the problem with Valerian? Not the shitty casting? Or shitty acting? Or garbage story?

DeHaan and Delevingne are not Willis and Jovovich. My God, DeHaan and Delevingne SUCK. Just thinking about their acting in Valerian makes me cringe. Terrible. So....terrible.
100% the bad casting. I kept waiting for the porno to start with their bad acting and chemistry.
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