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Old 04-27-2018, 03:16 PM   #1
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Trump's Nobel peace prize

Just wondering what's taking so long for this to be announced. Obama got one months into his presidency for being black. Trump has actually played a major role in bringing North and South Korea to the table to talk demilitarization. Of course the liberal spin on this is China's president gets all the credit for this when he had very little to do with it in reality. So any day now right?
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:32 PM   #2
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Just wondering what's taking so long for this to be announced. Obama got one months into his presidency for being black. Trump has actually played a major role in bringing North and South Korea to the table to talk demilitarization. Of course the liberal spin on this is China's president gets all the credit for this when he had very little to do with it in reality. So any day now right?
Donald Trump forfeits any right to even be CONSIDERED for a peace prize by continually threatening people from his twitter account and notably encouraging his supporters to beat up protestors.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:38 AM   #3
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Donald Trump forfeits any right to even be CONSIDERED for a peace prize by continually threatening people from his twitter account and notably encouraging his supporters to beat up protestors.
So because he's a meanie on twitter, as if those on the left don't make disgusting comments daily btw just watch CNN for 5 mins, the fact that he's outmaneuvered the fat midget with a god complex into possibly ending conflict with South Korea and possibly unifying Korea that means nothing? What did Obama actually get a peace price for anyway? Being black? Apologizing for America at every turn? What?

You have Zionists on twitter calling for the destruction of the white race, most of them jews, but hey Trump said something mean about Crooked Hillary OH NOES! Jaz you're really dumb.
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So because he's a meanie on twitter, as if those on the left don't make disgusting comments daily btw just watch CNN for 5 mins, the fact that he's outmaneuvered the fat midget with a god complex into possibly ending conflict with South Korea and possibly unifying Korea that means nothing? What did Obama actually get a peace price for anyway? Being black? Apologizing for America at every turn? What?

You have Zionists on twitter calling for the destruction of the white race, most of them jews, but hey Trump said something mean about Crooked Hillary OH NOES! Jaz you're really dumb.
LOL, crooked Hillary, you mean his bff and her husband that thought it would be great if Cheeto-man ran for president (please don't tell me you actually buy into all the bullshit he's feeding everyone about them being enemies)? Teasing Kim Jong Un, and enticing him to nuke us all doesn't suddenly make him a front-runner for the Nobel Peace Prize, and just because Obama received one for the "good he could potentially do" (still waiting on that btw) doesn't mean lil Donny deserves one too. But hey if he really wants one I'm sure he has plenty of friends in high places he can sway to get him one.

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Old 04-28-2018, 03:43 AM   #5
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LOL, crooked Hillary, you mean his bff and her husband that thought it would be great if Cheeto-man ran for president (please don't tell me you actually buy into all the bullshit he's feeding everyone about them being enemies)? Teasing Kim Jong Un, and enticing him to nuke us all doesn't suddenly make him a front-runner for the Nobel Peace Prize, and just because Obama received one for the "good he could potentially do" (still waiting on that btw) doesn't mean lil Donny deserves one too. But hey if he really wants one I'm sure he has plenty of friends in high places he can sway to get him one.

I doubt at this point he's BFF with the Clintons with all that's happened. My take on it is he scared Kim Jong Douche, and worked with China to put pressure on the midget to knock his shit off or they'd do something about it. Why else would Kim back the fuck down the way he has and pretty much turn face completely?

Trump and his people have done more in a year in so many factors from employment, to tax reform, to seriously trying to address illegals and stopping the importation of Islam, than Obozo did in 8 years on anything, oh wait Obama was good at increasing debt, so he has that going for him I guess.
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Old 04-28-2018, 06:18 AM   #6
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Trump won't win the Nobel Peace Prize until his actions have cost a million lives like Obumbles' did, destabilizing Iraq and Syria with his actions and inactions and sending Libya into anarchy, killing over a million Arabs and sending that many more marching toward Europe where many of them have killed Europeans in violent terrorist attacks and criminal behavior.

The inability of progressives to admit that what is happening on the Korean peninsula is absolutely the greatest hope we've had for peace in a place that has been at war for around one quarter of our nation's existence tells you all you need to know about progressives.

So no, the Nobel committee most likely will not give it to him, because they only award it to people who are in bed with their particular brand of useless and deadly ideology. Awarding it to Obumbles made a mockery of the award. That is reality.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:08 PM   #7
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So because he's a meanie on twitter, as if those on the left don't make disgusting comments daily btw just watch CNN for 5 mins, the fact that he's outmaneuvered the fat midget with a god complex into possibly ending conflict with South Korea and possibly unifying Korea that means nothing? What did Obama actually get a peace price for anyway? Being black? Apologizing for America at every turn? What?

You have Zionists on twitter calling for the destruction of the white race, most of them jews, but hey Trump said something mean about Crooked Hillary OH NOES! Jaz you're really dumb.
The Nobel peace prize was created by Alfred Nobel after he invented dynamite. He was so horrified by the "fury" of the destructive power he created that he wanted to create a prize to give to people who sought after peace. Now you're saying that the winner of the peace prize should be a man whose marginal contribution to these talks is threatening to blow up the entire peninsula.

Then you accuse me of being dumb?

The offer still stands Bozo. You met it with deafening silence and evasion last time, but let's test our IQs. Any ole time you're ready. I bet you 100 dollars. We can make it two if you like.
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They should give it to Hillary. Or my dog. I think I'll nominate my dog.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:38 PM   #9
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Now you're saying that the winner of the peace prize should be a man whose marginal contribution to these talks is threatening to blow up the entire peninsula.
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The Nobel peace prize was created by Alfred Nobel after he invented dynamite. He was so horrified by the "fury" of the destructive power he created that he wanted to create a prize to give to people who sought after peace. Now you're saying that the winner of the peace prize should be a man whose marginal contribution to these talks is threatening to blow up the entire peninsula.

Then you accuse me of being dumb?

The offer still stands Bozo. You met it with deafening silence and evasion last time, but let's test our IQs. Any ole time you're ready. I bet you 100 dollars. We can make it two if you like.
You ARE dumb, you're a fucking idiot to be exact. The ends justify the means, Trump scared the guy into finally putting an end to a conflict that has gone on since the end of WW2. If you don't see that as a good thing then there's little hope for any ounce of intelligence ever coming from your mouth. So yes you are dumb. Really really dumb.
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You're delusional if you think Trump's twitter rants had anything to do with it. More likely Kim needs more foreign aid and the collapse of his nuclear test site made things desperate. Or Dennis Rodman is the hero of the day.
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The prospects for peace in North Korea are largely, though not completely, to Trump's credit, and those denying it are idiotic ideologues or just too dumb to understand what the hell is going on over there.

* Unlike all past administrations, Trump has actually succeeded in putting sustained multilateral (UNBELIEVABLE! Working with other nations! As if he doesn't...) economic pressure on North Korea that actually hurts them and draws their attention.
* Trump has achieved this because China knows he's not full of shit regarding his economic and military threats, both of which he has made in other situations and followed through on (tariffs on Chinese goods, bombs in Syria twice).
* As a result China has actually put real economic pressure on their ally, and China is the only nation that counts in this regard.
* South Korea recently elected a president more deeply interested in peace than their prior president, which has helped a lot.
* North Korea fucked up with their last nuclear test and partially collapsed their mountain test site, leading to the potential for serious radioactive leakage and almost definitely setting off real alarm in China, the only neighbor that counts. China is sure to have said it's time to trade nuclear weapons for peace, or else...
* Unlike all previous presidents, who played by the same damned rule book and could be counted on to not bother to think outside the box, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility to think that Trump would be willing to bring American troops home from South Korea as part of a denuclearization peace treaty with the North. No other president would ever consider such a thing, but Trump has rumbled about NATO (in Europe) and is willing to actually shake things up and look at things from a different perspective.

Trump deserves credit. If it ends in an actual treaty and removal, or complete stoppage, of nuclear development in North Korea he deserves the damn Nobel because it will be the most significant move for peace in nearly a century.

You dumb fuck progressives can't admit it because you're locked in ideological battle with your mental illness over the man, lol.
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You're delusional if you think Trump's twitter rants had anything to do with it. More likely Kim needs more foreign aid and the collapse of his nuclear test site made things desperate. Or Dennis Rodman is the hero of the day.
It appears that Trump's Twitter rants did have something to do with it. Being aggressive towards North Korea in both the manner that Trump and his administration has done so certainly seems to be the deciding factor, with his Twitter rants playing a role in that. The SK President had taken a very soft approach to this issue, pushing for a strategy that had a lot less pressure than the Trump administration's strategy.

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North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, told President Moon Jae-in of South Korea when they met that he would abandon his nuclear weapons if the United States would agree to formally end the Korean War and promise that it would not invade his country, a South Korean government spokesman said Sunday.
It's largely believed that the only thing KJU cares about is retaining his own position of power, as it certainly doesn't appear that he gives a damn about most anyone else in NK. It seems that KJU was truly worried that a strike would come from the United States. He's now willing to negotiate, or at least pretend to, after giving the silent treatment to a more liberal SK President.

NK has needed foreign aid for decades now, with people declaring that the regime was on the very of collapse throughout that period. Sanctions against NK have been more effective and aggressive than in the past, with other countries on board.

So, if Trump's Twitter rants are influential to lead to the breakout of nuclear war between the U.S. and NK, they're also influential enough to lead to KJU to the negotiations table in an attempt to avoid being decapitated. Seeing as NK was directly responding to Trump, it seems evident that his Twitter rants had something to do with it. Trump does deserve credit for moving KJU to the negotiating table and setting this up. That doesn't mean this will be some great or lasting success, however. Many people propose a so-called 100-year deal, where KJU is allowed to remain in power, unharmed, and without risk of being removed by the United States, but will have to start to take steps reduce the threat posed by North Korea and his regime dies when he does. Under such a deal, KJU is allowed to save face, to retain the power he cherishes, and then the Koreas are given a more likely path to unification that doesn't include all-out war.
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Some of you don't seem to understand that the title of this thread is meant to show how ridiculous it is that Obama got a peace prize for doing nothing while we know that Trump won't get the prize even though he's doing something pretty big. President Moon Jae-in gave Trump a lot of credit for facilitating these talks in the first place. So you can rant about Twitter etc but while Obama dropped crazy amounts of bombs (Obomba? ) Trump has actually gotten some results.
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The Nobel peace prize was created by Alfred Nobel after he invented dynamite. He was so horrified by the "fury" of the destructive power he created that he wanted to create a prize to give to people who sought after peace.
No, he actually thought the destructive power of dynamite would bring an end to wars -- he wasn't actually horrified by it, he was so impressed by it that he wrongly believed it'd lead to the nations disbanding their military forces. He was essentially arguing a version of the MAD theory, just without nuclear weapons and by massively missing the mark in predicting dynamite's ability to prevent conflict.

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Now you're saying that the winner of the peace prize should be a man whose marginal contribution to these talks is threatening to blow up the entire peninsula.
The man who created dynamite thought he had created something capable of annihilating entire armies in an instant. Trump's contribution does not appear to be marginal, as it appears Trump's pressure has been the largest reason for KJU to seek these talks -- his threats seem to have pushed KJU into a situation where he is at least hoping to appear willing to negotiate.

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"Even many of Obama's supporters believed that the prize was a mistake," Lundestad wrote in "Secretary of Peace. 25 years with the Nobel Prize".

"In that sense the committee didn't achieve what it had hoped for," he said, noting that Obama himself rarely mentions the prize.
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Some of you don't seem to understand that the title of this thread is meant to show how ridiculous it is that Obama got a peace prize for doing nothing while we know that Trump won't get the prize even though he's doing something pretty big. President Moon Jae-in gave Trump a lot of credit for facilitating these talks in the first place. So you can rant about Twitter etc but while Obama dropped crazy amounts of bombs (Obomba? ) Trump has actually gotten some results.
Bingo. Obozo dropped more drone strikes than any president in history and did nothing to achieve peace anywhere in the world. Trump has done more in 1 year to actually achieve the end of a conflict that has gone on for decades upon decades and because progressives hate him so much they're trying to hand wave it away as no big deal. Sorry delusional liberals (Jaz I'm looking at you, you idiot) you're not living in reality.
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It appears that Trump's Twitter rants did have something to do with it. Being aggressive towards North Korea in both the manner that Trump and his administration has done so certainly seems to be the deciding factor, with his Twitter rants playing a role in that. The SK President had taken a very soft approach to this issue, pushing for a strategy that had a lot less pressure than the Trump administration's strategy.

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It's largely believed that the only thing KJU cares about is retaining his own position of power, as it certainly doesn't appear that he gives a damn about most anyone else in NK. It seems that KJU was truly worried that a strike would come from the United States. He's now willing to negotiate, or at least pretend to, after giving the silent treatment to a more liberal SK President.

NK has needed foreign aid for decades now, with people declaring that the regime was on the very of collapse throughout that period. Sanctions against NK have been more effective and aggressive than in the past, with other countries on board.

So, if Trump's Twitter rants are influential to lead to the breakout of nuclear war between the U.S. and NK, they're also influential enough to lead to KJU to the negotiations table in an attempt to avoid being decapitated. Seeing as NK was directly responding to Trump, it seems evident that his Twitter rants had something to do with it. Trump does deserve credit for moving KJU to the negotiating table and setting this up. That doesn't mean this will be some great or lasting success, however. Many people propose a so-called 100-year deal, where KJU is allowed to remain in power, unharmed, and without risk of being removed by the United States, but will have to start to take steps reduce the threat posed by North Korea and his regime dies when he does. Under such a deal, KJU is allowed to save face, to retain the power he cherishes, and then the Koreas are given a more likely path to unification that doesn't include all-out war.
Nuclear war, or any war, will NEVER HAPPEN as a result of one man's tweet. What Trump says on Twitter is meant to keep his supporters happily entertained and media angrily distracted while real things are going on elsewhere.
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Nuclear war, or any war, will NEVER HAPPEN as a result of one man's tweet. What Trump says on Twitter is meant to keep his supporters happily entertained and media angrily distracted while real things are going on elsewhere.
A nuclear war could happen as a result of the President of the United States' twitter.

What Trump says on Twitter appears to be meant for a variety of things, and it certainly appears to have pushed KJU to the negotiations table.
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Donald Trump forfeits any right to even be CONSIDERED for a peace prize by continually threatening people from his twitter account and notably encouraging his supporters to beat up protestors.

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