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Old 06-20-2018, 02:31 PM   #21
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Star Trek doesn't mind having shows from different perspectives. Why not a show about an admiral (Picard) and the politics that go into decision-making at Starfleet Command?

Instead of barking orders to a captain on a video screen and logging out, we'd see their side of things, and how crises are handled "up the ranks."

I'm not saying that's my ideal show, but let's not assume that Picard is back in a captain's chair, or even trying to do what he was doing on TNG. Could be completely different, and a good role for a man of Stewart's talents.

odds of it happening are low, anyway. But it could be a different kind of show that takes his age into account.
The politics of the Federation and StarFleet, ala the West Wing could be interesting as long as they kept the dialog snappy like they did on the West Wing and other shows of the type.

That was Picard's trademark through the TNG already so to see him do this as a high ranking Federation council member or StarFleet top Admiral could be interesting.

On the other hand last time they took the "Trek" out of "Star Trek" and did Deep Space 9 where the people never went anywhere people hated it until they gave them the Defiance to at least do some 'splorin in the Gamma Quadrant... (for the record DS9 was IMO, totally underrated).
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:44 PM   #22
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An overtly politicized Star Trek would be absolute shit in our current divisive environment. There won't be a large enough audience that wants to have an evening nightcap of leftist socialist screeching, moralizing, and preening.

Terrible fucking idea. Instafail.
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:49 PM   #23
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Why did they call the new show "Discovery" when they didn't discover anything?
It's the name of the ship. All of the Trek series that don't focus on the Enterprise and its crew (whatever version that happens to be) are named after the ship/station it's focused on. The only exception so far is Enterprise, but that's likely because coming up with an adequate subtitle for a prequel series would have been kinda tough.

TOS and TNG both focused on an Enterprise. Deep Space Nine and Voyager focused on the space station DS9 and the smaller ship Voyager, respectively.
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:01 PM   #24
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An overtly politicized Star Trek would be absolute shit in our current divisive environment. There won't be a large enough audience that wants to have an evening nightcap of leftist socialist screeching, moralizing, and preening.

Terrible fucking idea. Instafail.
Why not? All indications are that the side you describe is supported by more than half the population. And Star Trek has always moralized in support of diversity and respect for "the other." If a group of people find that distasteful, they probably didn't like other versions of Star Trek anyway, and they can go do whatever it is they normally do. Show like West Wing and Veep do just fine. The new Battlestar Galactica did just fine.

Not saying there has to be any political agenda, but if there is then the one you described would be the smarter one to use, and the one most aligned with previous Star Trek shows.
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:33 PM   #25
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An overtly politicized Star Trek would be absolute shit in our current divisive environment. There won't be a large enough audience that wants to have an evening nightcap of leftist socialist screeching, moralizing, and preening.

Terrible fucking idea. Instafail.
Didn't they do that already? And call it Star Trek: Discovery?
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:36 PM   #26
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...the side you describe is supported by more than half the population.
Bzzzzt, wrong. Hillary's not president; more than half would have meant her election (she got 48%).

Additionally, you assume just because somebody might agree with you politically that they would also enjoy insertion of political content into entertainment. That's not working out too well for a whole lot of entertainment vehicles, lol.

Star Trek has always had undercurrents of leftist politics, but it's always had FAR more going for it than "The politics of the Federation and StarFleet, ala the West Wing" which is a completely stupid idea that has never succeeded in a Star Trek.

West Wing Star Trek....hahahahahahaha!
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:34 AM   #27
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Fuck Star Trek. It's an insult to real science fiction.

I'd settle for anything where an attacking force with real guns and tactics take on Starfleet pukes. Bonus for a scene where Starfleet officers are whining it's not fair that the enemy threw a wall panel into materializing reinforcements.

Another good scene would be Sarek whipping Spocks ass for the technobabble he put on his physics exam.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:51 AM   #28
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Star Trek has always had undercurrents of leftist politics
Socialism, of a sort, was the vision of Roddenbery. He solved the many problems of society through replicator technology. Where there is no WANT there is less need for conflict; work and leisure can be the same. People can pursue their calling instead of a scrambling to stay alive.

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but it's always had FAR more going for it than "The politics of the Federation and StarFleet, ala the West Wing" which is a completely stupid idea that has never succeeded in a Star Trek.
Considering it has never been done in Star Trek saying it is a stupid idea that has never succeeded is about as retarded as it gets. Picard is well known as the diplomatic captain, it wouldn't be a big stretch to build a show around him as a diplomatic or political troubleshooter.

The West Wing, Newsroom, Scandal, and other shows which heavily feature politics have rated quite high and even dominated. Madame President and Veep are two others which I suspect particularly rankle you when they find any relative success.

Add in the variability of the Science Fiction setting and you might find something pretty awesome.

If it were the world of Starship Troopers and how they changed Earth to "Service guarantees citizenship" plan I think that might be interesting, and political. It would just be more right wing.

You don't like the idea because it would likely be more left wing politics.

If it were a show about Klingons blowing up ships run by NGOs who are sneaking illegal Romulan families through the neutral zone. You'd love it.

Little details like, if the ship actually landed the Klingons would rip children from the arms of their parents (who are being sentenced to work in the dilithium crystal mines for life because they illegally entered Kiligon space) making Vulcan Ambassadors fake cry about the injustice would be the cherry on top.

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Old 06-23-2018, 06:25 AM   #29
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Considering it has never been done in Star Trek saying it is a stupid idea that has never succeeded is about as retarded as it gets.
Saying there should be a West Wing Star Trek is about as retarded as it gets, considering there's a reason it's never been done...because it's retarded.
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He’s 78, he’s not dead. I doubt he needs a wheelchair and he actually looks pretty good for his age so he could totally pull off being an “Admiral” in an ongoing series or they could do something really radical like having the Federation get into a war again and he has to come out of mothballs to command a starship again. They could make some great points about the value that people have with experience (which they briefly touched on in Star Trek II).

I would watch a Next-Next Generation. Heck, I’m watching Discovery even though I didn’t think it was that great. I’m watching The Expanse and it’s mostly terrible. I’ve got time to let average TV shows play in the background while I’m gaming so I say they should go for it.
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orville is great and hilarious, but discovery had a really fun action packed second half of the seasons i very much enjoyed, leaving things open for a different style of star trek in the second season...
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He’s 78, he’s not dead.
Don't jinx it.

At 78 he has far left ahead of him than the years he has left behind him. He might work as a bit player admiral, thrown up on the view screen on occasion scolding the stupid, impulsive captain for his decisions and guiding him back to better behavior and actions. Maybe.

He's not going to work as a lead in a Star Trek show or film. He's OLD. He could try to do what Christopher Walken is doing:



How's that working out for you, Mr. Walken?



OMG, just no.
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