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Old 06-22-2018, 09:09 AM   #21
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Such nonsense conflation of events. Fans were pissed, but The Force Awakens did over TWO BILLION in global sales, ranking in the top five all time, AFTER Disney made that decision.
A lot of that would have been generated from the look-in audience. There are plenty of diehards that avoided it.

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The reason Star Wars is struggling now is because Disney has made a complete clusterfuck of episodes seven and eight, particularly eight. Folks were excited for seven despite the EU 'snap.'* They even returned for eight (top 15 all time) to a large degree. Now that they've seen what Disney is doing with the sequential series, they're pissed, and rightfully so.
I wouldn't disagree with this. The fans that dropped off because of the removal of the EU (mostly) wouldn't have checked out either and Ep8 lost a good chunk of the look-in audience from its predecessor.

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If they don't want a mulligan, just wrap this whole series up and go to a different time in the same universe...perhaps to when the jedi first formed, or something like that. Do something NEW!
I don't think they should get rid of the prequels; they're part of Lucas' story, so for better or worse, I'd leave them be.

I do, however, think they should move away from the timeline we're accustomed to. People have been clamoring for a Knights of the Old Republic series, which would absolutely satisfy the folks who think Star Wars is just lightsabers.

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I don't think a reference to The Snap is all that obscure, anymore.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:26 AM   #22
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There are plenty of diehards that avoided it.
Over two billion dollars says 'I'll take 'nobody cares' for $1000, Alex' followed by 'anecdotal information for $1000' to wrap things up. Then let's do a daily double!

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I don't think they should get rid of the prequels; they're part of Lucas' story, so for better or worse, I'd leave them be.
Everything gets remade, rehashed, or repurposed in entertainment and art. It will happen eventually.

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Would be wise. This vein is tapped and collapsed.

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I don't think a reference to The Snap is all that obscure, anymore.
Which is why I said anyone who doesn't get it isn't a film or comic fan...because those combined aren't 'obscure' by any means.
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Old 06-22-2018, 10:29 AM   #23
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I rewatched TLJ last night, and honestly don't see the problem really, but maybe that is because I think all the star wars movies are nonsensical popcorn flicks in the first place. So pros and cons of TLJ

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-The best and most violent lightsaber fight in any of the movies
-The blurring of the lines between good and evil is a more nuanced reflection of reality and less of a child's cartoon understanding of how the world is.

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-All the normal weird issues of how the ships and people don't seem to follow any laws of physics. Special ridiculous physics standouts here are when the bomb ships drop their bombs on the star destroyer in the beginning.
-Everything that happened on the casino planet was pretty ridiculous.
-Boyega is really just not great. A lot of his lines are especially bad.
-They hyperspeed their ship into the star destroyers, but I don't really know if this is that big of a plot problem in the scheme of things. I think the plot made considerably more sense than force awakens.
-Rey's whole mirror interaction was a bad metaphor that wasn't explained really at all, and was just the director masturbating about how awesome he thinks he is.
-Poe Damaran should've been let out an airlock for mutiny. The way they laughed that off like "boys will be boys" was completely terrible. As soon as he accused the captain of treason he should've been in a cell. It was ridiculous that she was just like, whatever kick this guy off the bridge but let him continue to run around freely on the ship with no monitoring. That is typical star wars nonsense though.
-Boyega and the Asian girl teleport back inside their base near the end of the movie.

That entire cons list though is the same as pretty much every star wars movie, so I don't really get the uproar.

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Old 06-22-2018, 12:06 PM   #24
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How can people hate TFA for being too similar to Star Wars but hate TLJ because it's not similar enough to Star Wars?

I liked TFA a lot. I liked TLJ a little. Hated the casino scene, but it was a long movie so it was a bonus I didn't like (a deleted scene with Rey and Luke was a better scene and should have stayed in).

The mirror thing didn't bother me. It reminded me of The Prisoner's last episode (treat yourself if you haven't watched that show). Luke being a recluse didn't bother me. Obi Wan did it. Yoda did it. He was more negative that I wanted, and absolutely didn't have to die (should have changed that in post-production when Carrie Fisher passed away. Just have him not disappear). But overall is was pretty good. Not Rogue One good, but better than the first two of the prequels.

It's not what I really wanted, but it didn't "ruin" anything for me.
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:36 PM   #25
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-The blurring of the lines between good and evil is a more nuanced reflection of reality and less of a child's cartoon understanding of how the world is.
I guess that’s an extension of one’s personal philosophy. I don’t believe the lines between good and evil ARE blurry, and I think that any work that tries to invent “Grey area” feels contrived and ham fisted because the scenarios feel unreal and manipulated.

... just like in The Last Jedi.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:14 PM   #26
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I guess that’s an extension of one’s personal philosophy. I don’t believe the lines between good and evil ARE blurry, and I think that any work that tries to invent “Grey area” feels contrived and ham fisted because the scenarios feel unreal and manipulated.
How could what you said ever be true? Almost every great person in history also did terrible things.

Einstein was a monster to the women in his life. Andrew Jackson both saved New Orleans and was responsible for the trail of tears. Steve Jobs was both a visionary and a monster to people who knew him. People are not good or evil, and often actions are not good or evil either. They are typically both.

Weapons dealers do often sell to both sides in a war. Even an action like selling guns in a gun store is morally grey. Working for any conglomerate or buying stuff from a conglomerate like Nestle is also very grey.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:29 PM   #27
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To a progressive, nothing is ever truly right or wrong unless they say so, lol.

Killing a child in utero? No problem. Separating a child from a parent committing an illegal act? No problem...oh, wait, were they crossing the border illegally? Then separation is a problem...oh, wait, unless a Democrat president does it. Then it's no problem again.

lulz. You are all so highly amusing.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:35 PM   #28
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This isn't a partisan issue. Stop trying to bring politics into this.

Many many actions are morally grey areas. Even making or buying violent video games isn't entirely clear. There are a lot of people opposed to it, and even if you dismiss them, at what age is it ok to be exposed to illicit content? At what point is it immoral?
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This isn't a partisan issue.
Sure it is. Progressives are relativists for whom right and wrong are simply extensions of what is currently convenient.

And what you said makes no sense.

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You contradict yourself, from how could what Jiz said "ever be true" to "many actions are morally grey" meaning that some are indeed not grey.

lulz. You're just...stupid.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:52 PM   #30
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Yup, nihilist and post-modernist have a difficult time separating right and wrong because for them these things don't exist. Nothing is right, nothing is wrong. Morality is not a concept they understand. That's why you get garbage like TLJ.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:08 PM   #31
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This is a weird thread. Why are you guys talking around all my concrete examples and speaking in vague buzz words/terminology?

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You contradict yourself, from how could what Jiz said "ever be true" to "many actions are morally grey" meaning that some are indeed not grey.
Like why are you talking about this if you have real answers to my real examples? You are just trying to find little weasel ways to avoid the discussion.

There is no real absolute moral answer to whether it is ok to buy or make violent video games, or what age they are appropriate for. Or working for Nestle/Buying things Nestle produces. Selling weapons, etc. Why are you pretending?
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Yup, nihilist and post-modernist have a difficult time separating right and wrong because for them these things don't exist. Nothing is right, nothing is wrong. Morality is not a concept they understand. That's why you get garbage like TLJ.
It is pretty easy to create scenarios where it is difficult to separate right and wrong....
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Like why are you talking about this
"Like" you were, lol. You contradicted yourself. Waiting for you to sort that out. Might be a while! The spin cycle has begun!

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"I don’t believe the lines between good and evil ARE blurry"

Just because there may exist purely neutral, good and evil actions doesn't make this true. I'm probably going to dip out of this conversation though because it is so dumb. There is endless philosophy about moral absolutism and even the basic scenarios I have brought up already raise so many questions that it is silly to continue.

Even if somehow moral absolutism is true, actual people are all morally grey so having a big evil dark side sith person fighting the good and pure jedi is still a child's comprehension of the world.
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I'm probably going to dip out of this conversation though because it is so dumb.
You engaged in it with Jiz, and you contradicted yourself so ridiculously. Probably a good idea to bow out.
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I remember having this conversation with Anenome a while back. In every successful civilization from the dawn of man you can find 20 or so universal rules, ethics, laws, or whatever you want to call them.

If you want your civilization to succeed you follow these rules. Punish Murder, rape, what we would call capital crimes, and the ten commandments, etc. are common parts of these rules.

But, as Eats says they are context sensitive. They only apply to YOUR civilization. When opposing tribes or civilizations clash the rules do not apply to the OTHER.

This is why, until we reached the Modern Western World, a person such as Andrew Jackson can be hailed as a hero for over 125 years for the Battle of New Orleans and his time as a public servant before we begin applying modern standards and vilifying him as a fiend for the Trail of Tears.

No other conquering world powers in HISTORY has guilted itself to destruction the way the empires of the Modern Western World have. Mainly the US and the UK.

Heroes from centuries ago are being held to standards of today they couldn't possibly have known about and becoming villains. Decisions people had days or weeks to make 500 years ago are now being judged with 500 years of hindsight and decades or even 100 years of analysis and research.

Cultures which didn't even exist or have historical relevance in education are demanding recognition, and even to replace knowledge of the cultures which established and raised the world to a plane of knowledge to where people could even begin to ask for such a thing.

So yes, the world is topsy turvey and except for just a few core rules the lines between good and evil are blurry and very context sensitive.

In 200 years Obama and Trump and everyone else here will be the worst of evil people because something we do every day which we have no idea is evil. But give it a few centuries of research and hindsight and we'll find out it was the worst thing ever done. And you can be damned sure there will be a victim group out there hoping to take advantage.

Based on what I'm seeing it'll be stripping rights of straight white Christian males. 200 years from now people will be like "OOPS!" but it'll be too late cause the muslims will have taken over. Or something!

I hope the last was political and racist enough for everyone, even Blackie! I want to be on the right side of history in 200 years.

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My references for the above are based on the summation of my reading of a collection of books based or written on the of Dr. Donald E. Brown (Anthropologist), Dr. Steven Pinker (Sociologist), and Dr. Jonathan Haidt (Sociologist). There's a lot of doc brown's out there so I'm linking to him, and the book is a good read.

If you don't know Pinker and Haidt, they have some great information and you'd be a better person if you are interested in Sociology and looked into them (Haidt in particular puts a more anthropological spin to his stuff, which is where I ran into Brown). Both can be previewed by looking up some of their speeches and stuff on YouTube.

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I'm sure they're going to be pissed mostly about our wanton destruction of the environment, and depending on what happens with global warming they will probably be pretty unhappy about that as well. If the temperature really does go up 5+ degrees its going to be a bad scene.
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They only apply to YOUR civilization. When opposing tribes or civilizations clash the rules do not apply to the OTHER.
lol, a relativist posing as a moral objectivist.

Moral truths do not lose their veracity or universality at the hands of hypocrites or tribal survivalists.
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Is it good or evil to separate families who sneak over the border?
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I think you should ask Obama about that. Great question!
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