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Old 12-15-2017, 12:34 PM   #41
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Just got back from Ep8. I thought The Last Jedi was a decent movie though I'd say TFA was better and Rogue One better still. Bungled is a pretty strong description though.

I'm still waiting for the entirety of the movie to settle in my brain but my gut reaction is The Last Jedi sits somewhere above the Prequels and below TFA.

I'd hoped for an Empire Strikes Back, and it had some great moments, but I am not feeling it just yet. Maybe I need some more time to reflect (or a second viewing).
I think TLJ will end up being better received once we have the context of Ep9 to work with. Remember, Empire Strikes Back was actually fairly poorly received at the time, due to how dour the whole thing was. After RotJ and enough time to reflect, it ended up being viewed as the best of the trilogy by most.

I'm not saying TLJ will ever quite reach that status...but, it's also the middle chapter of this part of the story and I feel like it'll end up being best judged once we can see all three of them together.
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:00 PM   #42
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I think TLJ will end up being better received once we have the context of Ep9 to work with. Remember, Empire Strikes Back was actually fairly poorly received at the time, due to how dour the whole thing was. After RotJ and enough time to reflect, it ended up being viewed as the best of the trilogy by most.

I'm not saying TLJ will ever quite reach that status...but, it's also the middle chapter of this part of the story and I feel like it'll end up being best judged once we can see all three of them together.
Yeah, I was pretty unhappy at ESB. Cliff hanger, Luke maimed, rebels lost. It was a pretty bitter pill. However this one feels a little too pat.

Maybe I'm just too jaded, after all before ESB there'd never been another movie or series like Star Wars before.

Maybe that's why people feel like Disney is going out of their way to destroy or flat out copy the much of the OG Trilogy.
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Old 12-15-2017, 04:40 PM   #43
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I think TLJ will end up being better received once we have the context of Ep9 to work with.
Without getting into spoilers, I find that statement utterly stupifying. After watching that train wrecked abortion, why would people want to watch anything else new from the franchise, ever?

On every level the movie was an abject failure, it was utterly absurd, offered no tension and it seemed to focus on a power *FAR* beyond what the force has to offer(I defended Rey after the last movie- anyone can check- but the Mary Sue is just vulgar in this movie- it goes way beyond Rey).

Matrix Reloaded was *VASTLY* superior and didn't hurt the franchise nearly as much. Meh, can't wait until people get a chance to see it so we can have a real discussion- so much vitriol for this movie.

I'd need to flush it out a bit more, but this seriously is in the running for worst movie I have ever seen, period.
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:50 PM   #44
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I HAVE to know though, will this effect my Fox News in any way?! If so, I will be very put off. It's the last bastion of hope for fair and balanced news. You know, the things the mainstream media refuse to report about. The stuff Shep Smith connects the dots on with his massive brain, that everyone else misses.
(You forgot the sarcasm tags, btw.)

Yeah, I can't imagine why Fox thinks it is "fair and balanced". Oh wait:



That's a graph showing the tone of news organizations coverage of the Trump administration. I'm having difficulty seeing as how Fox is not balanced there.
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:57 PM   #45
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I think TLJ will end up being better received once we have the context of Ep9 to work with. Remember, Empire Strikes Back was actually fairly poorly received at the time, due to how dour the whole thing was. After RotJ and enough time to reflect, it ended up being viewed as the best of the trilogy by most.
I myself have never experienced the love that people seem to give to TESB. It is probably one of my least favorites, mainly because it was a "part 1" without being advertised as such. The original is still, without a doubt, the best in the series (for me at least).
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LOL@ pontificating over star wars fan fiction.

Star Wars ended at the last Lucas movie.

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Old 12-16-2017, 12:33 AM   #47
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(You forgot the sarcasm tags, btw.)

Yeah, I can't imagine why Fox thinks it is "fair and balanced". Oh wait:



That's a graph showing the tone of news organizations coverage of the Trump administration. I'm having difficulty seeing as how Fox is not balanced there.
Surely you understand how, objectively, that makes no sense, right?

Letís say I committed a crime. I, I donít know, shot my dog into space in a rocket and it died. I make the evening news. Is the news supposed to say ď local Texas Resident JazGalaxy is under arrest for firing his dog into orbit, killing the dog. But to be fair, he cooked a great lasagna and has a really funny story about how weird Canada is.Ē

The newsí job isnít to promote ANYbody. The job of the news is to be critical. So, yes, any reliable news organizationís chart SHOULD lean toward a more critical and antagonistic side. If itís not, youíre probably not getting decent news coverage.

And Donald Trump is, unfortunately. A negativity producing machine because of his twitter crap. Is the news supposed to cover that favorably?

ď the president called a bunch of people idiots today on twitter. But on the good side actually managed to spell the insults correct;y and avoided literal gibberish like covfefe. Good for him! And thatís your fair and balanced news for the evening!Ē
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Surely you understand how, objectively, that makes no sense, right?
Naturally! Offering alternative views is not what liberal progressive are about, so it wouldn't make any sense to you at all!
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Surely you understand how, objectively, that makes no sense, right?

Letís say I committed a crime. I, I donít know, shot my dog into space in a rocket and it died. I make the evening news. Is the news supposed to say ď local Texas Resident JazGalaxy is under arrest for firing his dog into orbit, killing the dog. But to be fair, he cooked a great lasagna and has a really funny story about how weird Canada is.Ē

The newsí job isnít to promote ANYbody. The job of the news is to be critical. So, yes, any reliable news organizationís chart SHOULD lean toward a more critical and antagonistic side. If itís not, youíre probably not getting decent news coverage.

And Donald Trump is, unfortunately. A negativity producing machine because of his twitter crap. Is the news supposed to cover that favorably?

ď the president called a bunch of people idiots today on twitter. But on the good side actually managed to spell the insults correct;y and avoided literal gibberish like covfefe. Good for him! And thatís your fair and balanced news for the evening!Ē
So CNN and MSNBC lying for Hillary was alright? Because she was the right candidate? But Fox being critical of both parties, employing both Liberals and Conservatives and actually airing a difference in opinion rather than being the media arm of the DNC is bad, but shilling for democrats is legit news.. Jaz you're truly a fucking idiot.
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It's funny someone mentioned Shepard Smith. In reality he's a big anti-Trump gay liberal.
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Old 12-16-2017, 07:24 AM   #51
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So CNN and MSNBC lying for Hillary was alright? Because she was the right candidate? But Fox being critical of both parties, employing both Liberals and Conservatives and actually airing a difference in opinion rather than being the media arm of the DNC is bad, but shilling for democrats is legit news.. Jaz you're truly a fucking idiot.
Honestly, Fox is just as bad as CNN or MSNBC when it comes to hyperbole and spin to promote theit own agenda. They're all terrible, really.

With that being said, there is certainly a place for outlets like Fox News; it's bad to just have one perspective and with other major outlets having a more obvious liberal slant, it's important to have conservative representation, as well.

They're all garbage, at the end of the day.
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The news’ job isn’t to promote ANYbody. The job of the news is to be critical. So, yes, any reliable news organization’s chart SHOULD lean toward a more critical and antagonistic side. If it’s not, you’re probably not getting decent news coverage.
As a Journalism major I can definitely say that, while that first bit is correct, the rest of this statement is completely false. It is the new's job to report the news, not to take sides, critically or otherwise. Illegal immigration is down, jobs are up, the economy is soaring, regulations are being struck down one by one. There is "good" news to report. You don't report on a car crash and find reasons to criticize the paramedics, you report the car crash and leave it at that. Once you start getting critical, you are in the territory of opinion. Opinion is NOT the news.

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And Donald Trump is, unfortunately. A negativity producing machine because of his twitter crap. Is the news supposed to cover that favorably?
No. But it is supposed to cover non-negativity as well, not mention it in a quick piece that is quickly buried by the negative stories. Trump is actually doing quite a lot of non-negative things. But you wouldn't know that because only Fox reports on it with any regularity. And then they get slammed for doing it.


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“ the president called a bunch of people idiots today on twitter. But on the good side actually managed to spell the insults correct;y and avoided literal gibberish like covfefe. Good for him! And that’s your fair and balanced news for the evening!”
You obviously do not read Fox News because it's not like that at all. It's more like.

Fox: "The unemployment rate is the lowest it has been in 17 years. Trump tweeted at Kim Jong Un."

CNN: "The unemployment rate is low and OMG LOOK WHAT TRUMP JUST TWEETED! HURRY GET 10 STORIES ON THE FRONT PAGE ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS!"

I used to be a CNN person. I too bought into the narrative that everything Fox does is biased and CNN was honest. But after liberal slanted story after liberal slanted story, I finally gave up and gave Fox a try. I was very surprised to find what I had been told all this time was NOT the case and that, while Fox does have more conservative leaning employees, it's coverage is hardly right-wing propaganda. Not by a long shot. Now I read both. CNN for the occasional time when they do actually report on a story and not try to spin it against conservatives, and Fox.
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Honestly, Fox is just as bad as CNN or MSNBC when it comes to hyperbole and spin to promote theit own agenda. They're all terrible, really.

With that being said, there is certainly a place for outlets like Fox News; it's bad to just have one perspective and with other major outlets having a more obvious liberal slant, it's important to have conservative representation, as well.

They're all garbage, at the end of the day.
I don't know if there is a 100% neutral news organization. I think Fox comes close, but they are definitely slanted (though I would argue to a lesser degree than other MSM organizations). I agree, the best one can do is read them all to get the complete picture.
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Honestly, Fox is just as bad as CNN or MSNBC when it comes to hyperbole and spin to promote theit own agenda. They're all terrible, really.

With that being said, there is certainly a place for outlets like Fox News; it's bad to just have one perspective and with other major outlets having a more obvious liberal slant, it's important to have conservative representation, as well.

They're all garbage, at the end of the day.
Except the reality is Fox gives voices to BOTH sides while having a conservative slant. CNN doesn't do that, MSNBC doesn't do that. Hell anytime they have a conservative talking head on CNN start making sense, they mysteriously lose the satellite feed. Can it still be called journalism when you're directly shilling for a political party including sharing debate questions with them?
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It's funny someone mentioned Shepard Smith. In reality he's a big anti-Trump gay liberal.
"In reality".

Exactly.

Fox News, like the other major news outlets, is pretend land.
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As a Journalism major I can definitely say that, while that first bit is correct, the rest of this statement is completely false. It is the new's job to report the news, not to take sides, critically or otherwise. Illegal immigration is down, jobs are up, the economy is soaring, regulations are being struck down one by one. There is "good" news to report. You don't report on a car crash and find reasons to criticize the paramedics, you report the car crash and leave it at that. Once you start getting critical, you are in the territory of opinion. Opinion is NOT the news.



No. But it is supposed to cover non-negativity as well, not mention it in a quick piece that is quickly buried by the negative stories. Trump is actually doing quite a lot of non-negative things. But you wouldn't know that because only Fox reports on it with any regularity. And then they get slammed for doing it.




You obviously do not read Fox News because it's not like that at all. It's more like.

Fox: "The unemployment rate is the lowest it has been in 17 years. Trump tweeted at Kim Jong Un."

CNN: "The unemployment rate is low and OMG LOOK WHAT TRUMP JUST TWEETED! HURRY GET 10 STORIES ON THE FRONT PAGE ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS!"

I used to be a CNN person. I too bought into the narrative that everything Fox does is biased and CNN was honest. But after liberal slanted story after liberal slanted story, I finally gave up and gave Fox a try. I was very surprised to find what I had been told all this time was NOT the case and that, while Fox does have more conservative leaning employees, it's coverage is hardly right-wing propaganda. Not by a long shot. Now I read both. CNN for the occasional time when they do actually report on a story and not try to spin it against conservatives, and Fox.
Iím not a journalism major, but I did take journalism classes in jr high and high school.

I disagree that itís not the job of the news to be critical or antagonistic. Thatís the nature of attempting to report the truth. Any news organization who simply takes what someone says at face value is no more than an amplifier for propaganda. Itís state media, at that point.

You claim I donít read Fox News, but I absolutely do. Every day. I also read CNN. And Reddit. And Digg. And the AP. And any other articles that have infirmation I feel is with reading or important to read. I donít only read news that I agree with, and I donít only accept facts that already support my world view. Thatís why I know that Republicans and Democrats are both equally bad and yet you have chowder heads on here like Spectral who constantly pretend like ďliberalsĒ evil and republicans are saints despite an equal number of them being openly corrupt.

As for saying that a Trump is doing positive things Ďlike slashing regulationsĒ, thatís not a positive thing. Itís a neutral thing. Itís only the effects which can be positive or negative. And thatís why itís important to take an antagonistic stance toward it. Itís only by picking it apart that one can actually determine whether itís true or not.
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You claim I donít read Fox News, but I absolutely do. Every day. I also read CNN. And Reddit. And Digg. And the AP.
Watching normie tier safe space news from numerous sources gives you some sort of moral high ground or ability speak objectively on a subject.

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Just stick with your CNN, you watching FOX to attempt objectivity is hilarious. I don't watch that trash, haven't since 9/11 and the following suitcase nuke gimmick.

Tucker is good though.

And wtf is DIGG? Sounds like something from 2005. *throws raccoon.
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"In reality".

Exactly.

Fox News, like the other major news outlets, is pretend land.
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