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Old 06-25-2018, 06:15 AM   #1
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At E3, Video Gaming's Bigots Have Lost


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Supporters of Gamergate would say it was about “ethics in games journalism”. But it was quite openly more often than not about something else: women, minorities and hatred of so-called “social justice warriors” - the “SJWs” - as if social justice was something to be avoided.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:44 AM   #2
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<opens popcorn>

This ought to be good.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:45 AM   #3
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<opens popcorn>

This ought to be good.
I can see this isn't your first rodeo
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Old 06-25-2018, 07:11 AM   #4
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Supporters of Gamergate would say it was about “ethics in games journalism”.
It was and is. Agenda driven journalism isn't journalism, it's advocacy and editorializing.

Fake controversy is fake. It's a big world, make lots of games with lots of different folks involved; 99.9% of people don't give a shit. Just be prepared that if you're going to use your entertainment vehicle as a didactic sermon about how your audience is bigoted because for example they don't want a female black teenage Iron Man, you'll face pushback for being lazy and warping beloved longtime characters rather than creating new ones to fill with new representations.

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Old 06-25-2018, 07:43 AM   #5
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you'll face pushback for being lazy and warping beloved longtime characters rather than creating new ones to fill with new representations.
But making new stuff that everyone likes is really hard.
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Old 06-25-2018, 07:49 AM   #6
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I get people want to be heard and all but man sometimes things feel so forced. Like I want to roll my eyes when I watch the new Star Wars movies. I do enjoy them. I love the universe and stuff. But come on! Or the example with the comics Terran mentioned. A lot of it is soooo freaking lazy and half ass... I think an example of something done right would be the game Gone Home. Such a gripping story and you really care about the characters. It's told in such a graceful and caring manner that you cant help but understand and feel for the characters. This is from a straight, 38 year old white guy. To bad these types of stories and games are so few and far between...
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Old 06-25-2018, 08:31 AM   #7
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.. This is from a straight, 38 year old white guy.
you are aware that according to these people, this sentence alone makes any and all arguments you may have or even consider, moot, null and void..

welcome to identity politics
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Old 06-25-2018, 09:33 AM   #8
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:12 AM   #9
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What a coincidence. All the franchises forcing feminism are the very same franchises I'm burnt out on. So I dont care either way. Maybe they've noticed the slump in their sales and this is a desperate move to capture the female demo. I dont think it will work though.

I especially suspect BF5 is gonna land with a plop. And I think they know it, since they aren't planning any post-launch paid content for it. They want you to think EA has suddenly felt generous and won't do that anymore. Don't be a fool.
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:50 AM   #10
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Who is the bigger bigot? The person who uses a specific gender on purpose without regard to gender as the deciding factor (i.e., using gender A because it fits the story, not because they have anything against gender B), or the person who does not use a specific gender on purpose with gender being the deciding factor (i.e., using gender A because no way they would even consider using gender B)?

Now, guess which one of those people is the winner SJW, and which one is the loser bigot? (Hint: The SJW is the second part you bigots.)

Anyway, this guy practically defines "soy-boy".

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Female leads are everywhere on the show floor this year - including the original female lead, Tomb Raider’s Lara Croft, who has been far more realistically-proportioned of late.
"Realistically-proportioned." Because women don't have big breasts in real-life, that only happens in vidya games. Gotcha. Also, your mom called. She wants you to get the chicken out of the freezer before you come up from the basement, she has to make dinner soon.

And that's pretty selective use of the word "realism" as well:

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“I think there’s a part of the community that believes that [the Battlefield series] has been about historical accuracy, but it has never been about that,” said Oskar Gabrielson, general manager at game studio Dice, speaking to my colleague Cody Godwin [about Battlefield V].

“It’s a bit disheartening that we’re in 2018 and we have this kind of conversation about females in games.”
Translation: We should be very concerned when it comes to "realism" with regards to making females attractive, but f*** those guys complaining about disabled women on the front lines of WWII.

Yes, the bigots are losing! Because it is a competition! Women are finally kicking men out of lead rolls more this year then ever and oh wait a minute... your leader Anita Sarkeesian disagrees:

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...the percentage of games shown at E3 that focus on women has hovered around the 7-9% range for the past few years, and this year shows no improvement, with 9 games, or roughly 8% of games shown, featuring female protagonists. ... By contrast, just over three times as many featured games, 29 in all or roughly 24%, focus on male heroes or solely have male playable avatars or characters.
Ah well, maybe next year buddy! We're rooting for ya!
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:58 AM   #11
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...wait a minute... your leader Anita Sarkeesian disagrees:

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...the percentage of games shown at E3 that focus on women has hovered around the 7-9% range for the past few years, and this year shows no improvement, with 9 games, or roughly 8% of games shown, featuring female protagonists. ... By contrast, just over three times as many featured games, 29 in all or roughly 24%, focus on male heroes or solely have male playable avatars or characters.
Ah well, maybe next year buddy! We're rooting for ya!
That's hilarious! Just goes to show you that with the left, it's not about actual facts, it's about virtue signaling.

'More women in games than ever!'

---- um...statistically not true ----

'More minorities in games than ever? Maybe?'
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:00 AM   #12
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Actually publishers and devs have lost when gamers stop buying politicized and offensive (on many levels) garbage like The Last of Us Part II. Have some class, have some standards, and join me in never purchasing that trash, even on firesale.

That also goes for other "I'm disgusting and nonsensical because look at me I'm an avant garde artiste" self masturbatory games like Death Stranding.

Or perhaps even Ghosts of Tsushima, given the devs are like "oh we cared a lot about historical accuracy" while throwing in token FEMALE samurai. Wut? Maybe I'll give them a pass, rather than being intentional, they probably just caved in to the LUNACY surrounding them.

And in case you're wondering, yeah, I despised Sony's conference. Microsoft stole the show by being apolitical, not disgusting, and just bringing the damn games and top notch hardware to play it on.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:03 AM   #13
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Liberaism/Progressive/Cuckism is a mental illness.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:18 AM   #14
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Actually publishers and devs have lost when gamers stop buying politicized and offensive (on many levels) garbage...
The problem is that leftists are the new fundamentalists of American society. They are the witch-burning Salem crew of the past five decades, and they view every endeavor, including corporate, academic, and artistic efforts, as opportunities for didactic moralizing and sermonizing. You will be made to care, you will be shown the error of your ways, and if you refuse to bend your knee and alter your mind, you will be hounded out of society, even to the extent of being hounded within your own home let alone in public.

The vast majority of gamers just want a fun fucking game to play, and they get understandably irritated when they find a game lacking in fun and are told that they are bigots because <insert progressive message of your choice> is in there and that is obviously why they hated the game.

Entertainment should be entertaining. I know, this is an incredibly radical proposition to the left, but if they would create entertaining games (and movies, and comics, and etc.) folks would gravitate to their product and they could use these products to transmit messages of their choice at the same time, but when they neglect entertainment for moralizing, folks sniff it out and that shit hits the toilet fast for a good old fashioned flushing.

A great example would be All in the Family. For its time, it was quite progressive. Norman Lear is and always has been a progressive. You know what else it was? Funny as hell. Well written. Well acted. Respectful of its conservative audience while poking fun from a progressive starting point. Entertaining.

Nobody gives a shit about your product if it's not entertaining, if its full of moralizing screeds and rants against people who may well disagree with some of your perspectives.

tl;dr version for you liberals out there: Keep doing what you're doing, because it's working really well for me. I prefer Republicans in charge over your cult fundamentalist crew.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:23 AM   #15
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Such BS. I quit caring about AC long ago B4 any female leeds. BF5 is ww2 so I don't care wamen or no wamen. Last of us 2 should not be about the same characters their story is done. 3 valid reasons for not liking 3 games but I must be some sort of bigot.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:26 AM   #16
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I long for the days of female characters with oversized breasts in latex! The golden years of gaming!
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BORING news. Are the games fun?
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:22 PM   #18
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:46 PM   #19
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What happens when one side of the BBC isn't talking to the other?
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:48 PM   #20
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Yeah the BBC is right! As a white male, I was extremely angry that in AVP 2 when playing as the chest burster I wasn't a white male character. Imagine the one liner - "YOUR BURSTED!" Hahaha What has happened to my gaming?
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