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Old 03-28-2017, 04:21 PM   #1
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Windows 10 Destroyed Hard Drives And Deleted Data, Claims Lawsuit


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More than 100 PC users in Illinois are suing Microsoft for over $5 million. They say they were pushed or forced into upgrading to Windows 10 by the company's aggressive marketing, and claim that upgrading damaged their computers.

Windows 10 was offered as a free update for a year after its release in July 2015. The class-action lawsuit claims many users had their hard drives damaged after agreeing to install the upgrade.

“Allegedly the Windows 10 installer genie checks the consumer’s computer for compatibility; it does not, however, check the condition of the PC and whether or not the hard drive can withstand the stress of the Windows 10 installation,” reads the complaint, which was filed in Chicago last week.

One of the plaintiffs, Stephanie Watson, claims Windows 10 installed without her consent. She says she took her PC to Geek Squad, which was unable to fix her computer after the upgrade destroyed some of her data, reports Courthouse News.
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:29 PM   #2
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Ok BS there is no "stress" from the install. Using it however hehe that might kill your pc. I think they would have a solid case if they said being forced into using 10 invalidated my "special software that wasnt ready for 10" which is a long list or was at the time, and you could argue you just ruined or denied someone access to that, lost business, work, etc...


I do dental IT stuff, and no popular product was ready for 10, and had to rollback a few installs that were done on accident. Now some programs do, but some hardware doesnt.
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:38 PM   #3
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Ok BS there is no "stress" from the install. Using it however hehe that might kill your pc. I think they would have a solid case if they said being forced into using 10 invalidated my "special software that wasnt ready for 10" which is a long list or was at the time, and you could argue you just ruined or denied someone access to that, lost business, work, etc...


I do dental IT stuff, and no popular product was ready for 10, and had to rollback a few installs that were done on accident. Now some programs do, but some hardware doesnt.
I was tempted to use a Picard facepalm for the thumbnail image in the article. But I figured the IT people, hardcore gamers and PC Master Race would chew it up without a push from me. Did not take long to get the ball rolling. Thanks man!
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Old 03-28-2017, 05:10 PM   #4
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I love how they present Geek Squad as the technical experts capable of doing anything greater than ghosting a machine or reloading from a rescue disk.
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Old 03-28-2017, 05:10 PM   #5
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Meh no editing. >< In the end I bet it comes out that Geek Squad is at fault.
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Old 03-28-2017, 06:15 PM   #6
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If a hard drive couldn't handle the stress of installation, wouldn't normal use blow it eventually? This lawsuit is crap.
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Old 03-28-2017, 07:04 PM   #7
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Ok BS there is no "stress" from the install. Using it however hehe that might kill your pc. I think they would have a solid case if they said being forced into using 10 invalidated my "special software that wasnt ready for 10" which is a long list or was at the time, and you could argue you just ruined or denied someone access to that, lost business, work, etc...


I do dental IT stuff, and no popular product was ready for 10, and had to rollback a few installs that were done on accident. Now some programs do, but some hardware doesnt.
Except people agreed to the user agreement before installing. However, at some point a government will just say eff the law and punish the companies anyway (especially the EU).


*Edit - Let me simplify.

This should be an open and shut case. But the EU has consistently ruled against these types of slam dunks before. They'll say it's for the protection of the customer, but that's horseshit.
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Old 03-28-2017, 07:11 PM   #8
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See you guys at Microsoft Build and Ignite. Windows 10 is making me much more $$$ and I didn't even have to sue anyone.
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Old 03-29-2017, 02:27 AM   #9
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Except people agreed to the user agreement before installing. However, at some point a government will just say eff the law and punish the companies anyway (especially the EU).


*Edit - Let me simplify.

This should be an open and shut case. But the EU has consistently ruled against these types of slam dunks before. They'll say it's for the protection of the customer, but that's horseshit.
So... Illinois, Europe? For the record: I don't think you confused this, but why hate on European courts when this one's clearly a (very weird) US case?
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Old 03-29-2017, 05:14 AM   #10
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If you laugh at the idea of software destroying hardware you are ignorant of its capabilities. Ask the Israelis and Americans how well it worked to destroy hardware with malicious software at Natanz, lol.
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Old 03-29-2017, 05:15 AM   #11
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As for Windows 10, I like it. A few bumps in the road, but it's been pretty solid for my purposes.
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My grandmother installed Windows 10... When she told me that over the phone, I nearly had a heart attack. Her biggest complaint? "Where is my spider solitaire?" She wanted to go back for that! They eventually put solitaire back in...
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:48 AM   #13
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I dunno, I would think they have a case but probably not.

I would love to bring a case like this against Apple. Apple pretty much forces you to upgrade your iOS devices because you are forced to download updates (there is not an easy option to not do that). Sure, you can choose not to install it, but then Apple is going to pound you with "Time to install that update!" message every day that you have to defer. Or you can go online and find a hidden way to try and get around this, which is not acceptable. Microsoft is doing the same thing with Windows 10 home (you are not given the ability to stop updates, only defer them maybe).

Point is, a couple of years ago Apple decided to update my iPad to iOS 8. It broke most of my apps, and several games no longer work because of it. Had I known that would happen, I would never have upgraded (not that I had much choice thanks to the pounding). Did Apple do anything to help? No. In fact, they pointed their fingers at developers and said it was their fault and if we wanted our software to work we would have to go to them and it wasn't Apple's fault!

Some developers updated their software, but others just pulled them from the App store. This isn't mom-and-pop developers either, I'm talking AAA companies like EA. So those games we paid $5-$10 for? See ya!

I haven't bought an app since.

I can see newer hardware not supporting old software, but that isn't the case here. Is it really unreasonable to expect that an app I pay cash for not suddenly stop working one day? Seriously, imagine if Microsoft pushed out an update to XBox and it made several of people's store-bought games stop working? And MS said "Nope, not our fault, talk to the game publishers"? Then I bet this would suddenly be a big issue.

So yes, upgrading your OS can damage software and files, and if a company forces consumers do it on their own devices causing software loss, I would hope consumers had recourse.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:49 AM   #14
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The only case people should try to win is the update/upgrade where they were presented as "You dont not want to not upgrade to 10 right user?" click yes or yes or maybe no.

I know a few folks who literally woke up to windows 10, did not want it, but there it was. In doing so made windows 7 or whatever specific work related programs or hardware broken and lost production.

Anything else they want to bring up seems just stupid in the realm of "cyber"

And if its one thing we know.. its cyber.
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" work related programs or hardware broken and lost production. "

No business, medium to large, would have been hit with any Windows 10 issues. That's why they/we have WSUS (Windows Software Update Services) servers. People will simply click anything.

Google/Java/Adobe should be SHOT for throwing in Chrome with their installers.
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If a hard drive couldn't handle the stress of installation, wouldn't normal use blow it eventually? This lawsuit is crap.
Yeah, this is the part of the lawsuit that is pretty much crap. I have seen what could have been a "stress-related" failure of a HDD once before...but, it was pretty special circumstances. It was an older drive and the user was unintalling multiple programs while simultaneously installing a program (or two) and downloading multiple large files; in other words, there was lots of read-write occurring simultaneously and the HDD shit the bed. It could have also been coincidental, or the drive was already failing and that particular afternoon simply exacerbated an issue that would have cropped up eventually, anyway.

As you said, if your HDD couldn't handle the "stress" of installing a large file...it's probably going to fail sooner rather than later, anyway.
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