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Old 12-16-2017, 04:55 PM   #21
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Just got back from seeing it and I have to say, I found it terribly disappointing and lifeless. I don't know if it's CGI or botox or what, but Carrie Fisher's expression was frozen and she didn't seem like she wanted to be involved in the film at all. The acting in the very first scene was terrible (not the only scene where that was a problem) with a lame attempt at humor that seemed highly out of place for such a supposedly important moment (lacking any tension, of course). I think the SW series has finally lost its hold on me. I'm not going to want or need to see the next one in the theaters. It's no longer rare, and they've been mediocre-to-bad for years now (prior to Disney even), so I'm good. I've had my fill.
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Old 12-16-2017, 06:23 PM   #22
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With one discussion between Poe and Admiral whats-her-name we could have saved almost an hour of movie time and the entirety of the rebels which could have then been focused on more training time or something more substantial.

No dumb Finn/Rose sub-plot which fails and has the hacker give up the cloaked rebel ships.

That's probably the the biggest joke of the whole movie.
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Old 12-17-2017, 12:19 AM   #23
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With one discussion between Poe and Admiral whats-her-name we could have saved almost an hour of movie time and the entirety of the rebels which could have then been focused on more training time or something more substantial.

No dumb Finn/Rose sub-plot which fails and has the hacker give up the cloaked rebel ships.

That's probably the the biggest joke of the whole movie.
I actually kind of liked Poeís story. I donít think it was movie-worthy at all. But I think it would have made a great comic book story. I like how the whole point is that Poe didnít need to know the plan. He needed to follow orders. Yes a conversation could have fixed everything, but employees arenít owed an explanation every time an organization decides to do something. I think the only big problem with it is that they allow it to go on as long as they while smiling and talking about how much they love Poe. Thatís just bizarre. You kill mutineers. You donít pinch them on the cheek.
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Old 12-17-2017, 12:26 AM   #24
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With one discussion between Poe and Admiral whats-her-name we could have saved almost an hour of movie time and the entirety of the rebels which could have then been focused on more training time or something more substantial.

No dumb Finn/Rose sub-plot which fails and has the hacker give up the cloaked rebel ships.

That's probably the the biggest joke of the whole movie.
Exactly, the Admiral was the biggest moron in the entire movie. In one stroke, she basically destroyed the Rebellion and everyone under her command -- including herself. All she had to do was say, "We're going to escape in the shuttles under cloak." and hundreds of people would have survived who died because she was a stuck-up witch who thought she knew better than everyone who worked under her.

There is a time and a place for "Just follow orders." That time isn't when you are all about to die and your lead pilot is actively looking to you for guidance. The only way an idiot like that could have become an admiral is if she was sleeping with someone.
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Old 12-17-2017, 04:02 AM   #25
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I like how the whole point is that Poe didnít need to know the plan. He needed to follow orders. Yes a conversation could have fixed everything, but employees arenít owed an explanation every time an organization decides to do something.
I disagree with that though. An opposite point is made strongly that the rebellion is looking for leaders; there aren't enough resources and leaders in particular.

It's not like they were getting anywhere fast and this would have been a good time to do a little mentoring of someone who is clearly slated for a future leadership position based on what we've seen in TLJ, TFA, and obviously Leia's talks with Admiral Whozit.

It would have also made more sense when he decided to retreat instead of do a death rush to kill the cannon. After all, the who sneaky "be careful" approach didn't work so what's the lesson he was supposed to learn? Everyone fucking died anyway. If the plan worked it would have been FAR more impactful and made much more sense for Poe to have found a new sense of caution.

Take that 45 minutes from Finn/Rose bullshit and figure out a different way to get the First Order on the planet. Maybe they chase Rey down there.
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Old 12-17-2017, 08:47 AM   #26
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Zack Snyder should direct the next Star Wars.
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Old 12-17-2017, 01:02 PM   #27
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I disagree with that though. An opposite point is made strongly that the rebellion is looking for leaders; there aren't enough resources and leaders in particular.

It's not like they were getting anywhere fast and this would have been a good time to do a little mentoring of someone who is clearly slated for a future leadership position based on what we've seen in TLJ, TFA, and obviously Leia's talks with Admiral Whozit.
I disagree.

Youíre right that they were looking for leaders and that Poe was an obvious choice. But Leila specifically chastises him for his recklessness and inability to be part of a team before demoting him. She felt he had lessons he needed to learn before he could ever be a true leader. The movie makes the case that Poe learned some humility when he saw that his mutiny plan didnít work out. If they had just told him the plan, arguably, he never would have been forced to confront the fact that heís not always right.

In short, they couldnít teach him because he wasnít teachable.

I mean, Iím not defending the movie. I didnít care for it. But I think there was enough there to kind of see where they were coming from.
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Old 12-17-2017, 01:13 PM   #28
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I guess I'm one of those guys then. I'm a Star Wars fan. Not a "super-fan", just a guy who grew up watching and loving the franchise.

This movie was trash. Pure, utter, unadulterated trash. I left the movie angry, which is something that has not ever happened with any other movie, let alone a Star Wars movie (even with the prequels). The others I saw the movie with who are far more casual Star Wars fans and more tolerant in their criticisms of movies also hated it.

I get why some, like Chimpbot, might call people out for not elucidating on why they disliked the movie. The plot, dialogue, and acting were all terrible. The cinematography and CGI, were, of course quite good, but the movie was unforgivably bad. I walked out of the theater and the first thing I said was that I never want to see another Star Wars movie again.

So Chimpbot, I would tell you what I disliked, but that would be all the parts between the "Lucasfilms" intro and the end credits. And for me to put out a point-by-point breakdown would be far longer and even more boring to read than what I have written up to this point.

I have said with the prequels and Indiana Jones 4 that George Lucas destroyed my childhood, but this takes it to a whole other level.

I just fail to understand why Hollywood, with their essentially unlimited budgets and talent continues to produce drivel such as this.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:54 PM   #29
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Just saw it today. I thought I was watching an Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi double feature. To wit:
  • The rebels have a secret base which the empire finds and forces them to evacuate.
  • One main character goes to a far off planet for Jedi training (jedi-in-training)
  • The other characters spend most of the movie escaping from the pursuing empire
  • Characters meet who they consider a friend, who later betrays them by handing them to the empire
  • The jedi-in-training goes to confront the main villain in a black mask
  • The black mask villain takes said jedi-in-training to the emperor
  • The emperor tries to convert the jedi-in-training, and then tries to kill the jedi-in-training
  • The villain in the black mask turns on the emperor to save the jedi-in-training
  • The empire marches on the rebel base in large walking tanks
Seriously, do they have to keep borrowing from the original trilogy for the plot outlines of the new films?
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