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Old 10-20-2019, 07:45 AM   #4801
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Too bad that is just the tip of the iceberg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSP...-5DLL4nRALYny4

This is a GOP ad by the way.
Except that it isn't and once again you prove what a low information moron you truly are. Congrats you commie cunt.
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Old 10-20-2019, 04:42 PM   #4802
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Bullshit, by calling it a "GOP ad" you make the (deliberate, I am sure) mistake of not doing any research and hoping, just as they do, that low information voters will see GOP and be like "oh, well if the GOP is saying this..."

That is an ad from an anti-trump PAC "Republicans for Rule of Law" which is itself affiliated with "Defending Democracy Together" 501c4 chaired by none other than the man who never met a left leaning plan he didn't like: William Kristol who has spent the last 4 years trying to tear down Donald Trump. It is about as "GOP" as The Young Turks. Hell Krystal may be a secret member of the Young Turks for all the help he gives to REAL republican people and messages.

These are the people who will do everything in their power to protect the deep state and status quo where Politics is for Politicians to deal with and people suffer as a result.

These are the people who allowed a African-American candidate ... who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," (not my quote, look it up!) like Obama have his way with Congress and the American people, by any means necessary but won't accept a return to American exceptionalism that can only happen when AMERICANS forge their own future rather than hope for scraps from China or the EU.

These are people so focused on making sure abuses about laws are brought to light they only have bad things to say about the Republican leadership.

In the meantime, for such law abiding people they never mention anything about Clinton's emails, Biden's quid-pro-quo with Ukraine and China (to which Hunter actually ADMITTED he wouldn't have gotten the jobs without his father in the position he was), Schiff reading a creative writing assignment on how he thought the Ukraine call went and passing it off as FACT for several days before being called on it.

Don't be even more of a douche bag than you already are by forgetting to do your research.
You don't have to agree with Bill Kristol, but to pretend he isn't a conservative voice is silly. He served in the Reagan admin, the Bush Sr. Admin and was a foreign policy advisor to the McCain campaign.

He is a legitimate conservative voice. It is absurd to claim he isn't because you disagree with him.

AOC is a liberal voice, but her opinions are wildly divergent from those of Pelosi. They are still both liberals.

Disliking people in the GOP caucus who don't tow the line with Trump doesn't make them not part of the GOP caucus.
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:13 PM   #4803
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Disliking people in the GOP caucus who don't tow the line with Trump doesn't make them not part of the GOP caucus.
It's not their (Kristol et al) divergence from Trump that casts them from the mainstream of the GOP, it's their divergence from the actual mainstream.

Facts about the base of the GOP:
* GOP districts represent the majority of poor and middle class Americans. The Dems are the party of two-thirds of the richest of the rich, the GOP of nearly two thirds of the poor and middle. Kristol and his lousy robber baron elite are natural Democrats in their support of the rich over the poor.
* GOP districts and voters do NOT support a wide open border and unchecked immigration. Kristol and Dems do.
* GOP districts and voters do NOT support American military interventionism abroad. Neo con (former Dem) GOPers do; they came from the Dems and they're headed back there, to the party of interventionist warfare.
* GOP districts and voters do not support sending American manufacturing overseas. Kristol and his ilk do, along with globalist Dems.
* GOP voters believe in religious freedom, the Second Amendment, and xx/xy sex differentiation. Kristol and his ilk were more than happy to sell those to the Democrats in the interests of keeping a guy out of office because he offends their elite sensibilities.

They're RINOs. They can call themselves Republican/GOP members, but they are so out of touch with the base (90%+) of the party, they are closer to Dems than Republicans.

You're welcome to them. They seem to spend a helluva lot of time on your liberal platforms talking about how much they wish Hillary had won and the values of the Republican Party had been destroyed in the courts, lol. Enjoy the douchebags.
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:17 PM   #4804
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You don't have to agree with Bill Kristol, but to pretend he isn't a conservative voice is silly.

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He is a legitimate conservative voice. It is absurd to claim he isn't because you disagree with him.
He hasn't been "legitimate" since he tried to subvert the elections. Kristol has lost any legitimacy as a figurehead for any conservative cause since.

William Kristol, and many many other "conservative voices" as you call them think it still IS 1980 and we can all get along like we used to. They may have once been "GOP" but they've become the party of "NOPE" to everything that makes America good in the form of a constitution the left and their army of useful RINO and GOP idiots are complicit in trying to erase.

Much like any other RINO they haven't woken up to the militant violence, intolerance, inability to compromise (or desire), and the big ball of combined shit, bile, seamen, piss, and assorted nastiness and massive thunderstrike of the left (both on the street and in the halls of power) chipping away at the foundation of America in an attempt to make it some MYTHICAL version of Europe.

Their left's "City on a Hill" is a pantheon messily clumped together by a retarded child (who hasn't had their vaccines, probably) out of fairy dreams, pixie dust, and unicorn manure.

But they will have their tower of shit by any means necessary and if it means attacking other citizens in the streets? So be it. If it means subverting the rule of law? So be it. If it means wasting tax payer money by spending it at a firehose rate to investigate if the President once burned himself TWICE on the stove before he learned, SO BE IT.

Kristol and all the others who think we can go back to a simpler time are fucking retards complicit with the ENEMY, maliciously or not, to move this country into a state where it can no longer defend itself against the axes and pikes and bike locks of a left who doesn't care about right or fair, they only care about the power and money it brings, TO THEM. They don't care about people determining their own fate, they only care that the Left can figure out what is best for everyone. And once they get all the money and power there'll be nothing remaining to stop them.

Kristol and his ilk will fall like straw once they have done the left's bidding. Useful idiots, at best.

There is no "appealing to their better nature" with today's left. Like you they are all stupid and not willing to give anything even when they're wrong. They just move on to thundercasting the NEXT "maybe" wrong thing despite the rubble they just left behind them for no particular reason.
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The Weekly Standard has shut down. Kristol doesn’t speak for the GOP and he’s been uncovered as an unprincipled neocon. Try harder Eats.
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Old 10-21-2019, 05:40 PM   #4806
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* GOP districts and voters do NOT support American military interventionism abroad. Neo con (former Dem) GOPers do; they came from the Dems and they're headed back there, to the party of interventionist warfare.

They're RINOs. They can call themselves Republican/GOP members, but they are so out of touch with the base (90%+) of the party, they are closer to Dems than Republicans.
There is too much to get into here so I'm not going to do it all. But these specific claims make no sense.

The GOP literally just did these things when Bush Jr was president and a whole lot of the same people voting for Trump voted for Bush. You are those people. You voted for all of this interventionist warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan and this is just the natural fallout from that decision.

So to just turn on a dime and pretend that wasn't the GOP is complete nonsense. You guys have this tendency to just start dumpster fires then walk away and pretend it was some other group that did it. The same shit happened with health insurance in this country. It will never be addressed until dems hold the presidency again I guess. Until then the poor will continue to have the best health insurance, while the middle class gets hosed, which is insanity. Fixing preconditions was a good step, but the system very clearly needs an overhaul and the GOP just being obstructionist doesn't help americans.

Now, the RINOS. The problem is that you guys believe there are RINOs holding office right now and want to pretend they are not part of the GOP coalition, which they very clearly are. They are the actual people elected to represent the GOP in the Senate and in Congress.

You don't have to like these people, but they are legitimate voices in the GOP.

They are not part of some other party, that isn't reality. If it was then people would say the GOP doesn't have a majority in the Senate. No one does that.

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Old 10-21-2019, 06:33 PM   #4807
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But these specific claims make no sense.
That's because you're stupid. They're not claims, they're facts. You seem to think that parties are static amalgamations of walled off voters, but political parties are organisms that change over time. For example, the Democrat Party was not always but has become the party of abortion until first breath, no borders at all, free health care for illegals and no jail for illegals who harm Americans, lowering taxes for rich people by opposing SALT limitations passed by Trump, war in Syria and elsewhere, elimination of female sports, eliminating freedom of speech and association, and eliminating the right to self defense.

On the other hand, the Republican Party base, as evidenced by the coalition Trump put together in states that had not voted Republican in decades, agrees with him in ending overseas adventurism, fair trade that doesn't give away our jobs and technology, and borders that protect American wages and communities. Vestigial organs like Romney no more represent the Republican base than JFK would represent Democrats today.

As for health insurance, you idiots had a completely unassailable majority in Congress and the White House. You passed a PoS bill that has done far more harm than good while you dicked over your poor Hispanic supporters who thought you actually meant to pass immigration legislation when you knew you'd never bother because you don't fucking care about the poor bastards.

McCain, Romney and others are elites who are creatures of the national parties. The base of the GOP hates those bastards, unlike the Dem base, which loves your communist douchebag leadership, lol.
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:15 PM   #4808
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Vestigial organs like Romney no more represent the Republican base than JFK would represent Democrats today.
Romney is a sitting GOP Senator. He represents the Republican base in Utah. He won an election more recently than Trump. You don't just get to decide the GOP is whatever you want it to be. Those are your personal beliefs. You are so deep in your weird tribalism that you can't even see the separation between your beliefs and a political party.

You don't need to define your own identity by the current platform of a politician you weirdo.
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:29 PM   #4809
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Romney is a sitting GOP Senator. He represents the Republican base in Utah.
Pierre Delecto represents Dem loving elites, as evidenced by his 'likes' of GOP hating tweets under a pseudonym.

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I'm more in touch with the majority of today's GOP base than you would be, and that has nothing to do with any individual and everything to do with a set of ideals we want to see defended and implemented, and which is being done at the national level by President Trump. He's the hammer, buddy, you're the motherfucking nail.

Also, see my sig for weirdness, you sick perverted fuck of a mini-man.
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I'm more in touch with the majority of today's GOP base than you would be, and that has nothing to do with any individual and everything to do with a set of ideals we want to see defended and implemented, and which is being done at the national level by President Trump.
You are not some kind of decider that gets to perform a purity test on who is and isn't part of the GOP. The electorate is. Utah just elected Romney to represent them as a member of the GOP.

The last GOP president was for endless interventions in the middle east, and you voted for him twice. Pretending like that didn't happen is nonsense. Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and virtually all conservative voices supported that. This isn't some event far in the past that happened 50 years ago. These are the same people beating the drum for Trump now.

Are you saying that your beliefs, and the beliefs of all the conservatives at the time were dead wrong?
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Romney is a sitting GOP Senator. He represents the Republican base in Utah. He won an election more recently than Trump. You don't just get to decide the GOP is whatever you want it to be. Those are your personal beliefs. You are so deep in your weird tribalism that you can't even see the separation between your beliefs and a political party.

You don't need to define your own identity by the current platform of a politician you weirdo.
Little Mittens is a fucking democrat pretending to be a republican you moron. There's a reason even the state of liberal zombies in Mass made him a Governor.
There's a reason he pulled an Obozocare on the people of Massachuttes in regards to healthcare long before Obama ever sent a tingle down Chris Matthews leg. The guy is no conservative, far from it.

It's a little ironic you use the word tribalism here since you believe the entire GOP thinks exactly alike or that the democrats think exactly alike. That isn't anywhere even remotely reality.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:28 PM   #4812
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Utah just elected Romney to represent them as a member of the GOP.
lol. A MAJORITY of Utahans, in a poll published literally today, disapprove of Romney. Try harder!

The last Democrat president was for endless interventions in the middle east, including in Syria and Libya, leading to nearly a million dead, and you voted for him twice. Pretending like that didn't happen is nonsense. MSDNC, CNN, Rachel Madcow, and virtually all liberal voices supported that. This isn't some event far in the past that happened 50 years ago. These are the exact same people beating the drum for Dems now.

Are you saying that your beliefs, and the beliefs of all the Democrats at the time, were dead wrong?
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It's a little ironic you use the word tribalism here since you believe the entire GOP thinks exactly alike or that the democrats think exactly alike. That isn't anywhere even remotely reality.
You idiot. You are the one arguing that, not me. You are the one with the purity test here saying Bill Kristol isn't a conservative. You just said Romney isn't part of the GOP and then immediately accused me of thinking everyone in the GOP thinks exactly alike.

Go back to reading Mein Kampf and denying the holocaust.
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The last Democrat president was for endless interventions in the middle east, including in Syria and Libya, leading to nearly a million dead, and you voted for him twice. Pretending like that didn't happen is nonsense. MSDNC, CNN, Rachel Madcow, and virtually all liberal voices supported that. This isn't some event far in the past that happened 50 years ago. These are the exact same people beating the drum for Dems now.

Are you saying that your beliefs, and the beliefs of all the Democrats at the time, were dead wrong?
No, because I don't need to live and die by some party line, but also those were interventions that barely involved US soldiers on the ground. If anything pulling out of Iraq too quickly was the mistake, but after the GOP invaded Iraq with basically no plan at all there weren't a lot of great options.

Also you know a random poll is not an election right?
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If anything pulling out of Iraq too quickly was the mistake, but after the GOP invaded Iraq with basically no plan at all there weren't a lot of great options.
The invasion of Iraq was a huge mistake. Thank the Dems in Congress for voting for that shit, along with Pres. Bulshit.
Then it was stabilized. The surge worked.
Then Obumbles blew it all to hell.
Obumbles also blew Libya to hell, and Shillary bragged about killing Gaddhafi as if that was some kind of accomplishment while wondering what difference it made how our ambassador and American personnel were murdered.

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The sweet reality of that dawning on you all on election night in 2016 will forever be indelibly etched in my mind. Thank you for the reminder.
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The invasion of Iraq was a huge mistake. Thank the Dems in Congress for voting for that shit, along with Pres. Bulshit.
Then it was stabilized. The surge worked.
lol, ok. That is an interesting story that you made up based on nothing.

I like how you left out the part about the executive branch lying and creating false intelligence information to trick congress.


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Then Obumbles blew it all to hell.
Obumbles also blew Libya to hell, and Shillary bragged about killing Gaddhafi as if that was some kind of accomplishment while wondering what difference it made how our ambassador and American personnel were murdered.
Obama isn't responsible for the arab spring, and the intervention was a joint operation with NATO. You are talking about 4 people in Libya vs 4000+ US soldiers dead in Iraq, and many, many more injured or diagnosed with PTSD.

You are being ridiculous.
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You idiot. You are the one arguing that, not me. You are the one with the purity test here saying Bill Kristol isn't a conservative. You just said Romney isn't part of the GOP and then immediately accused me of thinking everyone in the GOP thinks exactly alike.

Go back to reading Mein Kampf and denying the holocaust.
No what I said was Romney is not a conservative. Which he isn't. Learn to read commie cunt.
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lol, ok. That is an interesting story that you made up based on nothing.
81 Dems in House
29 Dems in Senate
FOR authorizing force against Iraq.

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Wait, so we can't trust the CIA? Huh...you guys sure trusted them on the 'muh Russia' bullshit for three years of nonsense, lol.

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500,000 Syrians died as a results of Obumbles Iraq evacuation and the rise of ISIS in its place, destabilizing Iraq and Syria.
Thousands of Americans died in Afghanistan under Obama. Forget them?
3 out of 4 US deaths in Afghanistan occurred under Obama.
Obama drone executed more civilians in the region (and actual US citizens) than Bush did, by far.

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Douchebag say what now?
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This is absurd. You're blaming everyone except the people responsible. Bush and Cheney. It is well documented how they made the intelligence agencies bolster their case and took any sliver of evidence that could support their claims and discarded anything that went against the narrative they were building.

You also are blaming Obama for the Arab spring and invading Afghanistan, which makes no sense.
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Little Mittens is a fucking democrat pretending to be a republican
You just wrote this. It is in your last post. How could you already forget what you wrote?
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