Evil Avatar  



Go Back   Evil Avatar > Daily Gaming News > News Items

» Sponsored Links


» Recent Threads
Six years later, Star...
Last post by PatrickRes9
Today 10:34 AM
24 Replies, 1,551 Views
Iron Fist Kicked to the...
Last post by Demo_Boy
Today 10:32 AM
14 Replies, 1,036 Views
Pure Evil - Weekend...
Last post by VideoMike101
Today 09:45 AM
2 Replies, 348 Views
Switch Diablo III:...
Last post by EL CABONG
Today 09:25 AM
3 Replies, 121 Views
Venom Swings into the #1...
Last post by Evil Avatar
Today 08:22 AM
4 Replies, 166 Views
Game & Movie Releases...
Last post by Evil Avatar
Today 07:58 AM
0 Replies, 91 Views
Weekend Gamer: What are...
Last post by Major Dan
Today 06:11 AM
9 Replies, 689 Views
Picts - Waiting to...
Last post by vallor
Yesterday 09:19 PM
18,156 Replies, 2,924,378 Views
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-26-2017, 05:45 AM   #1
BeardedSonOfNel
Chaotic Neutral
 
BeardedSonOfNel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MN/WI
Posts: 5,158
Blog Entries: 8
UK Government Responds to Loot Box Petition


Via Develop
Quote:
"Where the facility exists for players of video games to purchase a key to unlock a bundle containing an unknown quantity and value of in-game items as a prize, and where there are readily accessible opportunities to cash in or exchange those awarded in-game items for money or moneyís worth, then these elements of the game are likely to be considered licensable gambling activities. In contrast, where prizes are restricted for use solely within the game, such in-game features would not be licensable gambling. The Gambling Commission is committed to working with the video game industry to prevent gambling-related harm related to their platforms."

So, a game that aggressively monetises itself with a loot box based progression system could fall under these rules would not fall under the gambling rules unless it gains real-world value. However, that's not to say that the practice isn't being looked in to via different avenues of legislation.
BeardedSonOfNel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 04:52 PM   #2
Male Chauvinist
Knight
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 45
This will only lead to worse anti-consumer practices, laws only make things worse as companies look for ways around them.
__________________
Feminism is cancer!
Male Chauvinist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 05:24 PM   #3
TheHulk
Evil Dead
 
TheHulk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 606
So I'm guessing that trading cards packs, like sports or Pokemon cards would fall under this also, right? You don't know what you're getting, and if you get a rare card you can sell that, so that's gambling too.
__________________
Whoa Nelly!
TheHulk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 06:40 PM   #4
vallor
Michael Bay Fanboi
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 7,142
For a long time "toys" and "kid games" were exempt. But the lines are blurring especially in the digital world. I think the government needs to leave it well enough alone but they'll always use the "for the children" defense.

At worst a "uses random loot boxes for money" tag could be added for the ratings board as part of the ESRB/PEGI etc classification. Otherwise it's no different that any other game item that gains value, like collectable card games. It just happens to be digital.
vallor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 07:41 PM   #5
Dag-Sabot
Evil Dead
 
Dag-Sabot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hai Shi Dao Hotsprings
Posts: 4,369
If it's considered gambling it opens up new tax realities, it's not about "protecting kids" from gambling its about a new revenue stream for the government.
__________________
...using emotionally-laden bold fonts.
Dag-Sabot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 09:33 PM   #6
Kooch
Evil Dead
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 253
People are so hung up on the word. It is what it is, harmful or not? That's one thing, and should be looked at. Why are people so adamant about needing to classify it under this specific term? To me loot boxes aren't gambling because you get a return under all circumstances, where as in gambling games, the money you put up can be 100% lost. They are still shitty, I just do not understand this reeeeeeeeeee gambling bullshit.
Kooch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2017, 03:15 AM   #7
TheTN
Squire
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 10
Do they want to control in-game content? Kek
I suppose that the worst thing they can do is to restrict by ESRB. But that is tupidy IMHO...
TheTN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2017, 05:29 AM   #8
Chimpbot
Godzillaologist
 
Chimpbot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Third Planet of the Black Hole
Posts: 8,363
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTN View Post
Do they want to control in-game content? Kek
I suppose that the worst thing they can do is to restrict by ESRB. But that is tupidy IMHO...
They won't be able to touch the ESRB; all of this discussion is in the UK, so the only organization they could affect is PEGI.

I also wouldn't consider loot boxes "content"; they're a delivery system at best and a piecemeal DLC system at its worst.
__________________
EvAv's Senior Godzillaologist
Member of the Nintendo Offensive Front
Chimpbot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2017, 05:41 AM   #9
BeardedSonOfNel
Chaotic Neutral
 
BeardedSonOfNel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MN/WI
Posts: 5,158
Blog Entries: 8
Welcome to the site TheTN!
__________________
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Ė Goethe
BeardedSonOfNel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2017, 05:03 AM   #10
TheTN
Squire
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardedSonOfNel View Post
Welcome to the site TheTN!
Thnx a lot!
__________________
Get best custom written essays from https://bestwritinghelp.org/
TheTN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2017, 05:12 AM   #11
TheTN
Squire
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 10
Ok, but never the less PEGI is able to influence to restrict access to the game for people under 18. Or em I wrong?
__________________
Get best custom written essays from https://bestwritinghelp.org/
TheTN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2017, 08:20 AM   #12
Chimpbot
Godzillaologist
 
Chimpbot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Third Planet of the Black Hole
Posts: 8,363
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTN View Post
Ok, but never the less PEGI is able to influence to restrict access to the game for people under 18. Or em I wrong?
PEGI is ultimately no more or less restrictive than the ESRB; the ratings don't stop kids from getting their hands on games that they're technically not "old enough" for.
__________________
EvAv's Senior Godzillaologist
Member of the Nintendo Offensive Front
Chimpbot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2017, 06:51 AM   #13
TheTN
Squire
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 10
So what they can really do? Because I can't see effective methods how Gambling Commission can induce game industry to refuse "lottery". Everything can be done only "on paper"...
TheTN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2017, 07:01 AM   #14
Chimpbot
Godzillaologist
 
Chimpbot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Third Planet of the Black Hole
Posts: 8,363
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTN View Post
So what they can really do? Because I can't see effective methods how Gambling Commission can induce game industry to refuse "lottery". Everything can be done only "on paper"...
At the end of the day, I don't think they really can do anything...and I don't necessarily think they even should.

Loot boxes aren't really any different from the blind booster packs sold for absolutely every single CCG/TCG on the market. If those don't fall under the umbrella of gambling, then loot boxes shouldn't either.

I don't like 'em, but I don't think government regulation is necessarily the best course of action.
__________________
EvAv's Senior Godzillaologist
Member of the Nintendo Offensive Front
Chimpbot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2017, 07:58 AM   #15
Terran
Evil Dead
 
Terran's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 12,796
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpbot View Post
At the end of the day
You're another day older...

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eats View Post
"...boys lining up outside a room to take a turn gang raping a woman?...I went to frat parties where shit like this was going down
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eats View Post
I certainly went to frat parties where girls were getting roofied
Terran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2017, 08:15 AM   #16
blackzc
Evil Dead
 
blackzc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: I am boot, hear me win!
Posts: 6,742
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpbot View Post

Loot boxes aren't really any different from the blind booster packs sold for absolutely every single CCG/TCG on the market. If those don't fall under the umbrella of gambling, then loot boxes shouldn't either.
Came to say this. Just like a pack of Pokemon cards. None of the prizes consist of real money so..

Stop being stupid stupids! Its amazing how big the (kid with moms credit card) market is.
__________________
Nintendo: A guiding light in a sea of video game degeneracy
blackzc is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
loot, loot boxes, the uk

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:34 AM.