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Old 12-19-2017, 09:56 AM   #21
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UBISOFT rocks! UPLAY sucks. Love the trailer and can hardly wait on this. Hopefully the PC port works.
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:26 AM   #22
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I completely support nationalism.

A ant hive doesn't let other ants take over and give them free money and health care, and then endure being called racist and a Nazi for having native features and skin colors, while suffering from the racism of the invading ant colony all while they say you're oppressing them.

I don't invite a guest in my house, and then he tells me he's offended I won't let him have access to my room because that means I'm selfish, that's just silly.

That doesn't mean people who aren't native are not human or worthless, or should't be judged on a individual basis.

The country I live in now supports their own people, and will always pick their own people before a foreigner because that's how it should be and must be for a country to continue on without being conquered, either you take it over or you let the owners keep it.
I probably shouldn't say this, because I'm German and everyone hates us, but... What you describe is patriotism, not nationalism. And, yes, there's a difference. At least, I'm fairly sure there is, because Europe is going through a similar phase as the US right now, and I'm getting really tired of some of the slogans that are flung around on all sides.

Hm. Maybe this guy explains it better:

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Except that comic is a load of bullshit. You're confusing Nationalism with Fascism, not the same.
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Except that comic is a load of bullshit. You're confusing Nationalism with Fascism, not the same.
The author of the comic isn't necessarily confusing Nationalism with Fascism...because Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.

Fascists are Nationalists, but not all Nationalists are Fascists. The two often go hand in hand.
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Old 12-20-2017, 12:40 AM   #25
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if words didn't have well laid out definitions you might have a argument.


Or if implying America is communist that's mostly in California and modern America, but again you'd have to actually provide a argument.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:16 AM   #26
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The author of the comic isn't necessarily confusing Nationalism with Fascism...because Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.

Fascists are Nationalists, but not all Nationalists are Fascists. The two often go hand in hand.
Wow you really have been brainwashed. Public school worked well for you, no wonder you're confused about spewing a liberal point of view all the time and not realizing, yes that makes you a liberal. You apparently have no idea.

Yeah because there are so many "Patriotic" BLM members and Antifa. Right Chimp. Of course I've no doubt you fully believe the "muh 6 million Jews" bullshit as well.
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Old 12-20-2017, 12:09 PM   #27
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Yeah because there are so many "Patriotic" BLM members and Antifa.
When was the last time I showed any sort of support for either of those groups? Antifa is a joke who reacts with - at a bare minimum - an equal amount of violence as the groups they're trying to combat. They're typically even worse and end up instigating more violence than anything else.

They're just as fascist as the groups they're trying to fight. Fascism doesn't exclusively belong to the Right.

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Right Chimp. Of course I've no doubt you fully believe the "muh 6 million Jews" bullshit as well.
I'd love to see where you're going with this.
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When was the last time I showed any sort of support for either of those groups? Antifa is a joke who reacts with - at a bare minimum - an equal amount of violence as the groups they're trying to combat. They're typically even worse and end up instigating more violence than anything else.

They're just as fascist as the groups they're trying to fight. Fascism doesn't exclusively belong to the Right.



I'd love to see where you're going with this.
BLM and Antifa are absolute fascism. They are the polar opposites of patriotic Americans who don't knee during the national anthem, or think the flag represents racism. Yet here you are equating the two.

It's as if expecting those who want to immigrate to the US to do it the proper way rather than hop the border makes one a nazi. Man those evil patriotic Americans, such fascists!
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:22 PM   #29
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BLM and Antifa are absolute fascism. They are the polar opposites of patriotic Americans who don't knee during the national anthem, or think the flag represents racism. Yet here you are equating the two.
When did I ever equate the likes of Antifa with patriots or patriotism? Show me. Show me when I did this.

If someone wants to kneel during the anthem, it's their goddamned right as an US citizen to do so, regardless of whether or not anyone likes it.

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It's as if expecting those who want to immigrate to the US to do it the proper way rather than hop the border makes one a nazi. Man those evil patriotic Americans, such fascists!
I didn't say all nationalists were fascists or Nazis. Two things going hand-in-hand doesn't mean its the case absolutely every single time. Wanting secure borders and logical, reasonable and thorough immigration processes doesn't make one a fascist.
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When did I ever equate the likes of Antifa with patriots or patriotism? Show me. Show me when I did this.

If someone wants to kneel during the anthem, it's their goddamned right as an US citizen to do so, regardless of whether or not anyone likes it.



I didn't say all nationalists were fascists or Nazis. Two things going hand-in-hand doesn't mean its the case absolutely every single time. Wanting secure borders and logical, reasonable and thorough immigration processes doesn't make one a fascist.
The fact is they DON'T go hand in hand they are polar political opposites.
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The fact is they DON'T go hand in hand they are polar political opposites.
You're aware that nationalism is literally in the definition of fascism?
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You're aware that nationalism is literally in the definition of fascism?
Fascism is more aligned with Authoritarianism rather than nationalism. Respecting the flag, expecting immigrants to come here LEGALLY, and upholding/believing in the Constitution is not things fascists are down for.

National socialism isn't right wing either but that doesn't stop you progressive idiots from calling Hitler right wing either. But hey, he didn't gas 6 million jews either but that's the lie that has continued since WW2's end anyway.
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Fascism is more aligned with Authoritarianism rather than nationalism. Respecting the flag, expecting immigrants to come here LEGALLY, and upholding/believing in the Constitution is not things fascists are down for.
This is funny, because fasicm is a form of authoritarian nationalism. Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism and Fascism are all very closely related; you're kinda trying to split hairs.

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You're right; he didn't gas 6 million of them. A bunch of them were killed with roving death squads, too.

This also has nothing to do with anything, unless you're trying to demonstrate how "woke" you are. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by bringing Hitler up.
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This is funny, because fasicm is a form of authoritarian nationalism. Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism and Fascism are all very closely related; you're kinda trying to split hairs.



You're right; he didn't gas 6 million of them. A bunch of them were killed with roving death squads, too.

This also has nothing to do with anything, unless you're trying to demonstrate how "woke" you are. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by bringing Hitler up.
It's funny because I don't see patriotic Americans acting in the way you pieces of shit on the left try to paint them as, but again honesty is not really high up on your lists of things you partake in.

6 million Jews didn't die during WW2 regardless of method, they've done a wonderful job of playing the victim ever since however, owning the banks, hollywood, lots of businesses, yep the Jews are victims. Really rich and in control victims.
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It's funny because I don't see patriotic Americans acting in the way you pieces of shit on the left try to paint them as, but again honesty is not really high up on your lists of things you partake in.
How, exactly, what I painting the behavior of patriotic Americans? What did I say they did - or did not - do?

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The current estimated total is up to 6 million; it's nigh-impossible to have an wholly accurate total, because no single master list exists.

An estimated 11 million people died during the Holocaust. No matter how anyone tries to slant it, it's still a major atrocity.
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Fascism is more aligned with Authoritarianism rather than nationalism. Respecting the flag, expecting immigrants to come here LEGALLY, and upholding/believing in the Constitution is not things fascists are down for.

National socialism isn't right wing either but that doesn't stop you progressive idiots from calling Hitler right wing either. But hey, he didn't gas 6 million jews either but that's the lie that has continued since WW2's end anyway.
I'll explain this nicely, once. Nationalism exists on a spectrum. On one end you have extreme nationalism; this is usually where you find fascists, like Kim Jon Un. On the other you have standard nationalism; you can find countries like Japan here. Japan might be too strong of a pick, since they do have jingoistic tendencies. But that varies per generation.. so.. good enough.

Where one side would say "My country is the best!" and enforce their ideals through coercion, the other might just make you a bit of an outcast for not conforming. Simple. This is why the following statement is true: All fascists are nationalist, but not all nationalists are fascists.

What you're talking about above, btw, is patriotism. But again, it's a scale. And it can overlap with nationalism.
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I'll explain this nicely, once. Nationalism exists on a spectrum. On one end you have extreme nationalism; this is usually where you find fascists, like Kim Jon Un. On the other you have standard nationalism; you can find countries like Japan here. Japan might be too strong of a pick, since they do have jingoistic tendencies. But that varies per generation.. so.. good enough.

Where one side would say "My country is the best!" and enforce their ideals through coercion, the other might just make you a bit of an outcast for not conforming. Simple. This is why the following statement is true: All fascists are nationalist, but not all nationalists are fascists.

What you're talking about above, btw, is patriotism. But again, it's a scale. And it can overlap with nationalism.
You're conflating authoritarian communism as nationalism. Reality doesn't work that way.
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I'll explain this nicely, once. Nationalism exists on a spectrum. On one end you have extreme nationalism; this is usually where you find fascists, like Kim Jon Un. On the other you have standard nationalism; you can find countries like Japan here. Japan might be too strong of a pick, since they do have jingoistic tendencies. But that varies per generation.. so.. good enough.

Where one side would say "My country is the best!" and enforce their ideals through coercion, the other might just make you a bit of an outcast for not conforming. Simple. This is why the following statement is true: All fascists are nationalist, but not all nationalists are fascists.

What you're talking about above, btw, is patriotism. But again, it's a scale. And it can overlap with nationalism.
The problem is when you explain it this way it shows you can take it too far and end up on a dark side and folks don't like to have that pointed out in the same way the Left doesn't like people realizing their ultimate socialist utopia looks a lot like NAZI Germany.

The other problem is there is a large portion of the population that does view nationalism, even the lighter version manifesting as patriotism, as "evil" at a moral level which automatically puts the two sides on war footing.

I think Japan and some of the Eastern Bloc nations are great examples because that's what a lot of the alt-right or the more heavy alt-light people seem to imagine the US should emulate. "Others", outsiders, are welcome in careful moderation, as secondary members of society but not full fledged members, as long as they keep their shit in order and are contributing.

But fail to contribute or try to mess with the culture and GTFO. These countries are seen as heroic in their stances and something to try and replicate.
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