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Old 12-27-2017, 10:14 AM   #1
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Star Wars Forces it's way to the Top of the Weekend Boxoffice Chart


Star Wars: The Last Jedi claimed the biggest Christmas haul over the four-day holiday weekend, adding almost $100 million to its coffers and bringing the worldwide total to $815 Million.

Here is the Weekend Boxoffice Chart for the weekend of December 22nd to December 24th.
  1. Star Wars: The Last Jedi $71.5/$368.1
  2. Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle $36.4/$53.0
  3. Pitch Perfect 3 $19.9/$19.9
  4. The Greatest Showman $8.8/$13.4
  5. Ferdinand $7.3/$26.7
  6. Coco $5.3/$161.5
  7. Downsizing $4.9/$4.9
  8. Darkest Hour $3.8/$6.7
  9. Father Figures $3.2/$3.2
  10. The Shape of Water $3.0/$7.5
  11. Wonder $1.9/$114.9
  12. The Star $1.3/$38.3

That is still a 67% drop from week 1 to week 2 for The Last Jedi, word got out that the film is a stinker. I predict it will still be #1 next weekend despit another sharp drop, because there is nothing good for competition this week.
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Old 12-27-2017, 01:15 PM   #2
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A friend showed me this. I just have to share in as many threads as possible. In other news I can't say I'm surprised about any of the other numbers though I might have expected more from Ferdinand being it's such a classic kids story.

The shape of Water seemed a little too out there to capture a big audience at this time of year against everything else but it's still one I might go see. The Greatest Showman? Eh. Hugh Jackman is pretty good but I'm not so sure about the rest. I'm going to see Jumanji as soon as all the Christmas crowds drop to nothing (it's "return a gift" week and I don't want none of dat).

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Old 12-27-2017, 03:03 PM   #3
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VII was ok. VIII was so fucking boring; I had to force myself to stay and finish the movie. From about the halfway point I wanted to get up and leave... I should have.

I would be content going the rest of my life without seeing another Star Wars movie. <shrug>
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Old 12-28-2017, 04:13 AM   #4
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Rey is such a Mary Sue that I think we ought call women who are unjustifiably good at everything "Rey" now, instead of Mary Sue.
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:21 AM   #5
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I liked the movie just fine. It had some moments that could be excised, like the entirety of the casino planet, but beyond that it was good.
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Rey is such a Mary Sue that I think we ought call women who are unjustifiably good at everything "Rey" now, instead of Mary Sue.
Meh. She's no more of a Mary Sue than Anakin or Luke, especially when it comes to origins; assuming Snoke was correct in his assessment, she was effectively spooted out by the Force to counter Kylo Ren's presence...much like how Anakin was spooted out by the Force because of Darth Plagueis and his meddling with midichlorians.
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Meh. She's no more of a Mary Sue than Anakin or Luke, especially when it comes to origins; assuming Snoke was correct in his assessment, she was effectively spooted out by the Force to counter Kylo Ren's presence...much like how Anakin was spooted out by the Force because of Darth Plagueis and his meddling with midichlorians.
Dude being a Mary Sue isn't being overpowered (which neither Luke nor Anakin is.) Being a Mary Sue is having *unexplained* abilities that surpass the normal cast of a show (Luke was an original cast member so he can't possibly be a Mary Sue in the slightest sense and his abilities are explained very well.) Rey is unexplainably good at using a lightsaber (not the same as using a staff), as a scavenger she is also proficient (more so than Solo) at knowing what's wrong with the millennium falcon. She also became an ace flying the millennium falcon mere seconds after sitting in the pilot seat. She is also a master force users when she didn't believe the Force was real mere moments (or a day) ago. A Mary Sue character is instantly liked by returning cast members. Neither Anakin nor Luke fit this part either.

The only part in which Rey didn't copy the Mary Sue fanfic character was the part where Mary Sue dies heroically.

The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are written worse than a parody fan fiction. Written by people not very knowledgeable in the subject and not very smart.
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:03 PM   #8
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Meh. She's no more of a Mary Sue than Anakin or Luke, especially when it comes to origins; assuming Snoke was correct in his assessment, she was effectively spooted out by the Force to counter Kylo Ren's presence...much like how Anakin was spooted out by the Force because of Darth Plagueis and his meddling with midichlorians.
I guess having a master and training to develop every ability he has is unexplained abilities. Go figure.
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Old 12-29-2017, 04:09 AM   #9
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People choose to give Rey a bad rap.

In The Force Awakens, Rey and Luke are basically the exact same character. The problem some people trip over, though, is that Lukeís story follows basic screen theatre tropes and fills out Lukeís exposition by having characters SAY it OUT LOUD. We are TOLD Luke is a good pilot over and over again. We are TOLD the Force is strong with Luke. We are TOLD where Luke is in his training.

With TFA, they chose to write Rey as an orphan which meant she grew up alone. The beginning vignettes Of TFA are meant to communicate the EXACT same information, but they do it non-verbally like a Japanese anime. Thusly, many of the faults people have with Rey are actually explained. They just arenít TOLD to the audience.

Why does she know about the rebels and the first order as well as the legend of Luke Skywalker? Because she grew up in the rubble of The Battle Of Jakku and all the debris of the battle. Why does she know the inside of first order ships? Because she grew up scavenging them. Why can she fly planes? Because itís implied she has done it many times before. Why is she such an athlete and fighter? Itís shown that she has to fight to survive in very harsh conditions among bad people. Why is she good with machines? Because she pulls them apart for a living. Why can she outfly and outfight professional soldiers? Because the Force is with her. How does Rey beat Kylo Ren in a fight? Because he was shot in the chest with a bow caster bolt and was bleeding out.

Itís totally fine not to like those answers. But itís wrong to ignore that the films DO provide answers.

That being said, there are many legitimate plot holes in the film that canít be waved away. Like, for instance, how does Rey even know that the Jedi mind trick is a thing that can even be done, let alone pull it off? Rey in indeed a Mary Sue in these ways. But this is less a problem with Reyís character than it is a problem with Rian Johnson deciding that training and skill isnít going to be a thing that matters anymore in the Star Wars Universe.

As for comparing Luke to Rey in terms of Mary Sue-ishness, I think people forget how LITTLE of the Force is actually in the original trilogy. Itís talked about, but it almost never shows up. In the first film, Luke swings the lightsaber two or three times to block lasers from a training droid and thatís IT. He never fights with it at all. In the second film he fights Vader where he is beat up, dismembered and dumped down a chute like trash. Itís only in the third film after what we are led to believe is extensive training that he ďreturnsĒ as a competent ďJediĒ. So there is NO comparison to Reyís immediate mastery of light sabers and Jedi magic.
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Why does she know the inside of first order ships? Because she grew up scavenging them. Why can she fly planes? Because it’s implied she has done it many times before. Why is she such an athlete and fighter? It’s shown that she has to fight to survive in very harsh conditions among bad people. Why is she good with machines? Because she pulls them apart for a living. Why can she outfly and outfight professional soldiers? Because the Force is with her. How does Rey beat Kylo Ren in a fight? Because he was shot in the chest with a bow caster bolt and was bleeding out.

It’s totally fine not to like those answers. But it’s wrong to ignore that the films DO provide answers.
You call those answers? Those are terrible answers if that's what you're basing your logic on. Luke was never GREAT at anything. They give some sense that he knows how to fly OK. He knows how to use sidearms but he clearly sucked on the Falcon's turrets. In fact Luke was pretty unexceptional in almost every way except he can use the force and he had a strong moral backbone.

Rey doesn't merely fly pretty well she flies unfamiliar craft as good or better than pilots who have trained on aircraft and it's equipment for years.

She doesn't merely have a good understanding of the mechanics of some ships, after a few hours on the Falcon she knows how to troubleshoot, fix, and modify it better than Han Solo and Chewbacca.

She doesn't merely have a decent idea of the layout of a Star Destroyer she has a photographic memory of a blueprint of a complete Star Destroyer in her head which she somehow cobbled together having only ever seen junked versions.

She doesn't merely trip over the force now and then. Within a few days of "finding the force" or whatever she fights off the determined mind rape of a force user even Luke said is one of the most powerful he'd seen. Not only that but she turns it back on him.

Then she gets into a lightsaber fight which was going surprisingly well for her considering she was fighting a Sith at her power level with years of training, despite his wound.

All without any real training or mentorship.

What did Luke accomplish in his first few weeks after he found out he was force sensitive and started taking lessons from Ben Kenobi? He managed to parry a few laser beams from a drone on the Falcon wearing a blacked out blast shield helmet. When one of the worst tragedies in the universe happened and Alderaan was destroyed Ben was staggered but Luke didn't even get a tingle. Rey is so sensitive she felt Luke's lightsaber calling out to her from a box in the basement of a bar.

Rey is exceptional in EVERY WAY with the exception of character depth. When she fails it isn't due to a character fault of her, it's due to another character's fault. Her character has no faults of her own, only faults by association.

Luke struggled all the time. Leia, Han, Lando. They struggled with themselves all the time. Luke constantly failed. "Do or do not, there is no try." But when Rey fails it is because someone failed her. Luke, Han, Kylo, Finn.
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Dude being a Mary Sue isn't being overpowered (which neither Luke nor Anakin is.) Being a Mary Sue is having *unexplained* abilities that surpass the normal cast of a show (Luke was an original cast member so he can't possibly be a Mary Sue in the slightest sense and his abilities are explained very well.)
His abilities are explained "very well" when taken with the context of the six original films; otherwise, he pretty much fit the bill as a Mary Sue.

Besides, we have an explanation as to why Rey is so powerful; she was effectively spooted out by the Force to counterbalance Kylo Ren. Snoke explicitly states this, practically verbatim.

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She sure was good at swinging it like a club against an injured opponent that didn't want to kill her.

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I guess you missed the part where the Falcon belonged to the guy she was left with when her parents abandoned her. She was familiar enough with the ship to know what modifications Unkar Plutt had made and had enough general experience to clumsily pilot the thing.

I guess our definitions of "ace pilot" are vastly different, because I don't think slamming into shit throughout the majority of a chase scene makes her an ace.

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His abilities are explained "very well" when taken with the context of the six original films; otherwise, he pretty much fit the bill as a Mary Sue.
He doesn't become over powered until the third movie, after a huge story arc and a lot of training. That's not being a mary sue.

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Yes, so therefore according to the films Rey and Kylo would be equally as strong with the force, yet she consistently beats him in the use of the force despite the extreme difference in training levels between them.


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If that's all it takes for you, fine, I'll grant you this point.

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I guess you missed the part where the Falcon belonged to the guy she was left with when her parents abandoned her. She was familiar enough with the ship to know what modifications Unkar Plutt had made and had enough general experience to clumsily pilot the thing.
She had enough familiarity with it to think it was a piece of garbage. Still, go to a junk yard and scavenge some parts, when you've used that knowledge to successfully build a car, get back to us.

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Clumsily pilot? Majority of the chase scene? It's like the first 10 seconds that she's clumsily smashing into things, and that seems to be explained away as because she doesn't have a co-pilot. After that she successfully low altitude pilots through sand dunes and crashed star destroyers, she even successfully navigates inside a downed star destroy, and then perfectly, blindly, sets up Finn's shot for him. All while flying this craft for the first time, a craft that hasn't even flown in years. Clumsily indeed...


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Rey doesn't merely fly pretty well she flies unfamiliar craft as good or better than pilots who have trained on aircraft and it's equipment for years.

She doesn't merely have a good understanding of the mechanics of some ships, after a few hours on the Falcon she knows how to troubleshoot, fix, and modify it better than Han Solo and Chewbacca.
Chimp nailed this already so Iíll merely back him up.

Youíre missing the fact that Rey spends several lines explaining that not only had she been on the falcon before, she had spent time arguing with Plutt about the fact that his modification put too much strain on the hyper drive.

She didnít know how to fix the falcon better than Han or Chewie, she just bypassed the mod that Plutt had put into it that made it worse. Ostensibly Han would have done it if he wasnít busy flying the ship.

And honestly that brings up one of the questions and problems I have with Star Wars fans. Star Wars fans always think that the Milleium Falcon is the best ship in the galaxy because Han Solo says it is. But everyone else in the movie refers to it repeatedly as a hunk of junk. I feel like fans completely ignore that ahah Solo is THE most unreliable character in the series, he lies about nearly everything and is self-deluded to the point of it being his main character trait. There is slim reason to believe that the Falcon really is a great ship, that Han really knows the best way to modify it, or that Han really is as good a pilot as he says he is.

When George Lucas made Han and the Falcon, he says he was basing it on that particular 60s-70s era phenomenon of the high school kid who spent all summer saving up to buy a car that was a hunk of junk, but in their eyes it was perfect because it was theirs.
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Chimp nailed this already so Iíll merely back him up.

Youíre missing the fact that Rey spends several lines explaining that not only had she been on the falcon before, she had spent time arguing with Plutt about the fact that his modification put too much strain on the hyper drive.

She didnít know how to fix the falcon better than Han or Chewie, she just bypassed the mod that Plutt had put into it that made it worse. Ostensibly Han would have done it if he wasnít busy flying the ship.

And honestly that brings up one of the questions and problems I have with Star Wars fans. Star Wars fans always think that the Milleium Falcon is the best ship in the galaxy because Han Solo says it is. But everyone else in the movie refers to it repeatedly as a hunk of junk. I feel like fans completely ignore that ahah Solo is THE most unreliable character in the series, he lies about nearly everything and is self-deluded to the point of it being his main character trait. There is slim reason to believe that the Falcon really is a great ship, that Han really knows the best way to modify it, or that Han really is as good a pilot as he says he is.

When George Lucas made Han and the Falcon, he says he was basing it on that particular 60s-70s era phenomenon of the high school kid who spent all summer saving up to buy a car that was a hunk of junk, but in their eyes it was perfect because it was theirs.
Chimp didn't nail anything. Rey is the text book equivalent of a Mary Sue. You're simply delusional to believe otherwise.
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His abilities are explained "very well" when taken with the context of the six original films; otherwise, he pretty much fit the bill as a Mary Sue.
Nope, the jedi ways are explained in the very first movie and they are not overpowering. He doesn't show any prowess in using these abilities except landing a shot and stopping some harmless shots from a drone.

If you believe being a Jedi is being a Mary Sue, then you better read up on what a Mary Sue character is.

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Being powerful with the force doesn't make you suddenly a master in everything. You need training. The force is everywhere, all living things have it but without training and unlearning stuff you can't use it. So, no, she becoming the best force user ever created and besting his counterbalance with absolutely no training makes her the biggest Mary Sue ever created.


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nope, she was using a lightsaber against a trained user. Finn who is a trained soldier didn't stand a chance but Rey being the Mary Sue that she is beats him no problem. Also, Kylo is shown to stop blaster shots mid air and stops and subdues Rey with only his mind, but after getting shot he forgets his force powers... terrible writing on this piece of crap.

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Flying through a broken spaceship and pulling off crazy maneuvers to destroy the last tie fighter are ace pilot maneuvers.
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I liked the one that explains how she is SO good at every thing. She bought all the LOOT BOXES! Lol.
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Looks like the movie will break a Billion at the box office. That's the sad thing that kept George Lucas going... when these movies (like the Transformers films) make gobs and gobs of money, it takes a long time before the studio executives get the message that they are screwing up.

In this case, I think the backlash is more public. Even Mark Hamill is trash talking the film (probably because he knows they didn't ask him back for the sequel) and so they should get the message quicker. But, will it matter to them that it's a bad film if we all went to go see it anyway?

Ask Activision. The last three Call of Duty games have all been flops with the gamers, but people keep buying them and so the quality isn't improving at all.
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And honestly that brings up one of the questions and problems I have with Star Wars fans. Star Wars fans always think that the Milleium Falcon is the best ship in the galaxy because Han Solo says it is. But everyone else in the movie refers to it repeatedly as a hunk of junk.
Actually I'm not ignoring this, and it reinforces my (and apparently the inflexible fan's) point. But since you want to elaborate.

The Falcon is a unique beast so to get the most out of it, to get it to work right at all is something only someone who KNOWS the craft inside and out could do properly. It's like a kid trying to start dad's piece of shit vintage car "no, ya gotta pump the gas once, turn off the lights and radio, THEN she'll turn over."

And it doesn't end with flying our "jalopy" the Falcon like she's Maverick from Top Gun. She spends the better part of several scenes making changes, fixing, and making experanious modifications to the rig which has years and decades worth of patchwork fixes in place already without understanding how any of it ties in together to make the whole thing tick.

Which, as you might remember, is one of the reasons the Falcon was shuttered to begin with, because no one could keep it running so it was designated a piece of junk. But not for Rey who not only gets it running in the middle of a strafing attack, hyperdrives to a safe place, fixes the life support and blah blah blah. Only one of these things can be really helped by the Force which, arguably, at this point she wasn't really "open" to.

All because she managed to be good at salvaging busted ass Star Destroyers? If I were the First Order I'd be conscripting every mutherfucker on Jakku!

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