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Old 01-08-2019, 08:29 AM   #41
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You do realize that, ironic intentions or not, you tend to call people snowflakes yourself.
Yes, I do.... after they act like one. Not just right off the bat. Besides hypocrisy should be a positive trait in society at this point as long as it is coming from your side of the political spectrum.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:34 AM   #42
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Who says you can't still tilt at windmills these days?

I get it. I do. As a white male, I can see why many of my fellow white males feel persecuted. And, yes, there are strident voices looking to blame us for just about everything. Assholes abound.

On the other hand...

A couple of weeks ago, the movie The Imitation Game popped up on my recommendation list again, for some reason, on Netflix. I hadn't seen it in a few years so I watched it again (I'm a software engineer by trade, so this is one of my favorite movies).

Anyway, if you haven't watched it, in the end of the movie the main character, Alan Turing, who may well be one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century (and a white male) was convicted of "sexual deviancy" because he was a homosexual. As a result he was unable to work and was sentenced to chemical castration. He committed suicide a few years later.

He was not alone in being charged as a criminal for his sexual orientation. This is not ancient history. It was 50 years ago.

Thirty years ago, more than a few people believed that AIDS was punishment from God. Some still believe that today. Even today, kids are being sent to gay conversion therapy camps.

The point is: there are people alive today, that you could meet on the streets, who have LIVED through this. It's not history, or theoretical to them. I can safely say that while I may have been annoyed at some of the rhetoric aimed at white males these days, I've never been persecuted. Certainly not with the same definition of "persecution" that some homosexuals have experienced.

So I find it hard to become outraged over gay characters in a game, even if asking why anyone should care about sexual orientation in a game is a fair question (well, except for games like Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect, where its a game in itself). I imagine many of the non-asshole homosexual gamers just simply wouldn't mind some recognition that they actually exist.

If you made it this far, good on you. Hold on a little longer.

Now, did any of you do this to them? No. Some assholes did. So, yeah, we're getting tarred by a broad brush. And God knows some of the things that the more radical in the LGBTQ... movement do are offensive, cynical, and just plain crazy. Assholes abound. Public discourse these days seems to be taken over by assholes screaming at each other.

I don't know what the answer is, frankly. I do think we should ignore more of the assholes more often. Some assholes are certainly worth fighting, but is the addition of a gay character to fiction related to a game really one of those cases?

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Last weekend in Toronto, 2 gay guys got beaten up for being gay. The past year there was a Gay serial killer who was finally caught because police didn't give a shit. This shit happens all the time, and usually is swept under the rug until someone brings this to light (usually for personal aggrandizement).

So, yea homophobia is not dead. I have no gay friends. I have no gay agenda. I just think someone should be able to be gay without being beaten.

As for overrepresentation, I think its being handled in an idiotic immature way.. but then what isn't these days. But is it justification to think that you are being assaulted by "teh gay conspiracy" for being white and straight? Really.. when was the last time a gay guy beat you for being straight?

Give me a fucking break.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:40 AM   #43
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Really.. when was the last time a gay guy beat you for being straight?
Might be a pretty dangerous hobby considering you'd be outnumbered about 99 to 1.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:53 AM   #44
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I can't help but wonder if entertainment companies specify the sexual preferences of their characters in order to promote pornographic fan fiction. This kind of thing used to be seen as a blemish for an IP and hushed up, but these days, I'm not so sure anymore...
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:57 AM   #45
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Last weekend in Toronto, 2 gay guys got beaten up for being gay. The past year there was a Gay serial killer who was finally caught because police didn't give a shit. This shit happens all the time, and usually is swept under the rug until someone brings this to light (usually for personal aggrandizement).
As a long time Torontonian, I'm ashamed to say I forgot about that serial killer, which is sad considering it was just last year.

I'm no expert, but I suspect, for most gays, the "gay agenda" is:
1. I don't want to have to hide who I am.
2. I don't want to live in fear of what others might do to me if I don't hide.

Gay characters in games seem pretty trivial in comparison.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:33 AM   #46
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I can't help but wonder if entertainment companies specify the sexual preferences of their characters in order to promote pornographic fan fiction. This kind of thing used to be seen as a blemish for an IP and hushed up, but these days, I'm not so sure anymore...
I doubt it, to be honest.
Looking at just Overwatch, the porn and racy fan fiction was extremely abundant prior to most of the backstories being revealed. I doubt revealing that Tracer was gay a couple of years ago affected any of that.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:47 AM   #47
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It feels weird sitting on another continent reading these comments. It is unrelatable and comes across as downright crazy. I don't care if someone is a christian, jew or non-believer. I don't care what the color of their skin is. I don't care about their sexual preferences. Having said that I certainly don't care for having any of this pointed out - out of context, in a game/movie/work of literature. I find it almost as off-putting as some of the disgusting racism here.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:27 AM   #48
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If one looks hard enough these days one will surely find examples of assholes in any group of humans. In fact, these days, one does not have to look very hard at all. The media hunts down these examples in order to drum up outrage. Outrage is the grist that drives clicks, after all.

This is not a "left" or "right" thing. It's just a thing. Extreme politics, at either end of the spectrum, deliberately work to remove tolerance to other points of view and remove empathy for other groups of human beings. Because people with empathy don't tend to wish ill on other humans.

That is how a thread on a gaming site regarding the introduction of a gay character into a game becomes an angry outcry on the destruction of society.
Bullshit, when gays were pushing for acceptance in the 80's, one of the things people brought up was that they would eventually push for pedophilia. Fast forward 20+ years, that's exactly what's happening, and those on the left want to try and "shame" people into accepting it. Fuck you. There most certainly is a left and a right, don't pretend there is not. When you stop politicizing all forms of media, when commies in hollyweird stop trying to tell people how to vote and think, then you can make that claim. Until then you can take your agenda and shove it up your ass, you'd prolly like it.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:33 AM   #49
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Yes, I do.... after they act like one. Not just right off the bat. Besides hypocrisy should be a positive trait in society at this point as long as it is coming from your side of the political spectrum.
At the very least you're finally admitting you're left wing. Speaking of hypocrisy. Like I said, you wanna go fuck a guy? Be my guest. The idea that those on the left have to push their lifestyle choices in everyone's faces is the problem, not that you're gay, 40% of those who identify as trans end up killing themselves because no matter what they do, they are generally unhappy and unbalanced people. Rather than getting them help to cope with how they feel, those on the left don't want to even hear that. You lot don't give two fucks about people at all, just your precious agenda.
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Bullshit, when gays were pushing for acceptance in the 80's, one of the things people brought up was that they would eventually push for pedophilia. Fast forward 20+ years, that's exactly what's happening, and those on the left want to try and "shame" people into accepting it.
What in the world are you talking about?
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Old 01-08-2019, 12:16 PM   #51
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Bullshit, when gays were pushing for acceptance in the 80's, one of the things people brought up was that they would eventually push for pedophilia. Fast forward 20+ years, that's exactly what's happening, and those on the left want to try and "shame" people into accepting it. Fuck you. There most certainly is a left and a right, don't pretend there is not. When you stop politicizing all forms of media, when commies in hollyweird stop trying to tell people how to vote and think, then you can make that claim. Until then you can take your agenda and shove it up your ass, you'd prolly like it.
I did not say there wasn’t a left and a right. I said that the extreme wings of each use the same tactics.
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Because why not. I guess Blizzard feels the needs to get it's allotment of virtue signaling out of the way early this year.

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So I find it hard to become outraged over gay characters in a game, even if asking why anyone should care about sexual orientation in a game is a fair question (well, except for games like Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect, where its a game in itself). I imagine many of the non-asshole homosexual gamers just simply wouldn't mind some recognition that they actually exist.
Actually, the issue isn't about the character being gay, I'm pretty sure no-one here cares about that. The issue is that they put it into the game at all. There was no reason to, other than to virtue signal, and that is what people are annoyed at. It comes off as one of those "Let's pull this out of our ass to look woke!" things.

The problem is the current environment which progressives have created, with this "forced diversity". Once they started forcing diversity for diversity sake, that's all anyone sees now.

Take Metroid for example. (SPOILER WARNING). At the end, it was revealed that Samus Aran (your character) was actually a female. Back then people thought it was great. But what if that happened today? Can you imagine the outrage? If so, what changed? Did people suddenly start hating women? No. The left fosters an environment of diversity quotas, and that is what people would see in that game were it to occur today. Not that she is a woman, but that the developer made her a woman simply because they are "woke".

It's a shame, but that is the environment we live in now.
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What in the world are you talking about?
Don't pay much attention to the world around you eh?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-next-normal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4AUzsGbfE&t=

For a another eye opener google Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg Mann Act. It'll give you a new perspective on what far left sickos think and just shows how radical even some US judges are, as high as the SC.
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Don't pay much attention to the world around you eh?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-next-normal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4AUzsGbfE&t=

For a another eye opener google Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg Mann Act. It'll give you a new perspective on what far left sickos think and just shows how radical even some US judges are, as high as the SC.
The problem with the fear about gays and pedophelia is that it doesn’t seem to be supported by fact.

The facts, as I understand them, are that most pedophiles exhibit little interest in adult sexual partners of any gender. When they do, they are most likely the partners of parents of the children they are molesting.

Children are still most at risk of being molested by relatives or partners of parents, most of whom identify as heterosexual. This is what the data says.
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I want the TOTAL ORGY DLC or I'm not interested in returning to this game!
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Because why not. I guess Blizzard feels the needs to get it's allotment of virtue signaling out of the way early this year.



Actually, the issue isn't about the character being gay, I'm pretty sure no-one here cares about that. The issue is that they put it into the game at all. There was no reason to, other than to virtue signal, and that is what people are annoyed at. It comes off as one of those "Let's pull this out of our ass to look woke!" things.

The problem is the current environment which progressives have created, with this "forced diversity". Once they started forcing diversity for diversity sake, that's all anyone sees now.

Take Metroid for example. (SPOILER WARNING). At the end, it was revealed that Samus Aran (your character) was actually a female. Back then people thought it was great. But what if that happened today? Can you imagine the outrage? If so, what changed? Did people suddenly start hating women? No. The left fosters an environment of diversity quotas, and that is what people would see in that game were it to occur today. Not that she is a woman, but that the developer made her a woman simply because they are "woke".

It's a shame, but that is the environment we live in now.
Excellent post. Still, total orgy DLC or bust, I say. I am offended that I can't see all the characters literally exploring their sexualities with each other on screen.
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Don't pay much attention to the world around you eh?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-next-normal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4AUzsGbfE&t=

For a another eye opener google Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg Mann Act. It'll give you a new perspective on what far left sickos think and just shows how radical even some US judges are, as high as the SC.
You can find wackos on all sides spouting all sorts of stupid things. To take those wacko fringe people and try to paint that as a mainstream movement is asinine. There is no real attempt to normalize pedophilia.
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You can find wackos on all sides spouting all sorts of stupid things. To take those wacko fringe people and try to paint that as a mainstream movement is asinine. There is no real attempt to normalize pedophilia.
It wasn't long ago when the idea of gay marriage was considered extreme. Heck, Obama partially campaigned on the idea. Yesterday's extremes are today's debate topics and often tomorrow's realities.

As for the choice to make 76 gay, it's kind of funny because when I did play the game, I was looking for a cool character to play and he was one of my go to characters because he was the one that seemed old school. He's an over the hill (something I can identify with) throwback to yesteryear's idealized heroes. So making him gay is extra woke I guess.

I used to be a disappointed that I just couldn't quite get into this game but I suppose I should count myself lucky now.
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For a another eye opener google Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg Mann Act. It'll give you a new perspective on what far left sickos think and just shows how radical even some US judges are, as high as the SC.
And also:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/di...-for-children/

You seem really susceptible to whackadoo internet conspiracy theories.
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The problem with the fear about gays and pedophelia is that it doesn’t seem to be supported by fact.

The facts, as I understand them, are that most pedophiles exhibit little interest in adult sexual partners of any gender. When they do, they are most likely the partners of parents of the children they are molesting.

Children are still most at risk of being molested by relatives or partners of parents, most of whom identify as heterosexual. This is what the data says.
Molesting children is bad period regardless of who's doing it.
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