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Old 12-28-2014, 12:46 AM   #21
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Also for fuck's sake, Sony and Microsoft, JOIN FORCES already. Let Sony do the hardware and Microsoft do the networking.
One company is nearly bankrupt and the other has been getting cold feet about their future in console hardware. Sounds like a perfect match.
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Old 12-28-2014, 01:12 AM   #22
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Everything finally kicked in on PSN just a couple of minutes ago for me.
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Old 12-28-2014, 05:33 AM   #23
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FOUND A FIX !!!

Worked for me.. able to see Xur just before he leaves. Good upgrades you dont want to miss
Xur will be around until 10pm PST Monday due to the downtime.

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Old 12-28-2014, 07:53 AM   #24
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Any network can be a target of a DDoS attack, fool. The bastard hackers just pick video game networks, Xbox Live INCLUDED genius, because they are easy targets. The video game networks are like homeless people, but the banking networks, as an example, are like the 1%. No one gives a shit if the first get murdered, but its headline news and FBI investigations if the latter get murdered. Not rocket science, you dope.
And any large company can have network infrastructure in place to either avoid being affect by said attacks or at the least minimize the downtime. Sony, after multiple hacks and DDOS attacks still hasn't figure this one out. There's a reason Live was down for only hours and there's a reason Steam doesn't go down. It's called knowing what the fuck you're doing when it comes to infrastructure. Sony? No fucking clue and it's obvious.
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Old 12-28-2014, 09:41 AM   #25
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PSN is back up and running well now. I'm downloading Dragon Age: Inquisition Deluxe Edition, which is on sale today for $45.49.
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Old 12-28-2014, 03:59 PM   #26
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PSN is back up and running well now. I'm downloading Dragon Age: Inquisition Deluxe Edition, which is on sale today for $45.49.
I ended up getting this on Origin instead since I didn't know when PSN was coming back up.
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I ended up getting this on Origin instead since I didn't know when PSN was coming back up.
I'll wait for the $20 GOTY edition. I hate the way they try to scam you out of another $60 in DLC.
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Old 12-28-2014, 06:02 PM   #28
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One company is nearly bankrupt and the other has been getting cold feet about their future in console hardware. Sounds like a perfect match.
Except that the only part of Sony that is making money is the console division. The PlayStation isn't hurting them, it's the only part of their business that is keeping them alive.
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:58 AM   #29
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Better infrastructure can diminish the problem and speed up recovery time. This is probably the reason MS is down for minutes to hours and Sony is down for hours to days.

Sony should be compensating for PSN outages this month. I have had at least 8 days (including schedules maintenance) in December with no access. I actually returned Far Cry 4 for PS4 today and exchanged for Xbox One so I can actually play it.
Better infrastructure costs money and it isn't always necessary. As the network was coming back up from the DDOS attack, it was still being flooded with people attempting to log in with their new consoles or play their new games. The only surefire way to "prepare" for events like this is to expand the number of servers, many of which would quickly become unused as the volume inevitably drops to nominal levels.

Sony's woes over the past few days were absolutely no different from what Blizzard went through with the Warlords of Draenor launch; an extremely high influx of users coupled with a DDOS attack brought their network to it's knees for a couple days. Sure, installing more servers would have helped alleviate the problem...but they would essentially be wasting money on hardware they simply wouldn't need in a week or two, if that.

As with Blizzard, Sony's issues cleared up within a couple days and all will be forgotten within a day or two. The real issue isn't with Sony, folks. It's with the fuckwits who think it's fun to torment thousands, if not millions, of people simply because they can. I'd be hesitant to such acts terrorism, but I do think these kids need to serve a good year or two in a federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison simply for fucking with thousands of people at a time.
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Old 12-29-2014, 03:24 PM   #30
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Better infrastructure costs money and it isn't always necessary. As the network was coming back up from the DDOS attack, it was still being flooded with people attempting to log in with their new consoles or play their new games. The only surefire way to "prepare" for events like this is to expand the number of servers, many of which would quickly become unused as the volume inevitably drops to nominal levels.

Sony's woes over the past few days were absolutely no different from what Blizzard went through with the Warlords of Draenor launch; an extremely high influx of users coupled with a DDOS attack brought their network to it's knees for a couple days. Sure, installing more servers would have helped alleviate the problem...but they would essentially be wasting money on hardware they simply wouldn't need in a week or two, if that.
That's not good enough when you're operating a paid service used for games, movies, music and TV. You need to invest in infrastructure or people will take their business elsewhere.
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That's not good enough when you're operating a paid service used for games, movies, music and TV. You need to invest in infrastructure or people will take their business elsewhere.
Also, when you have a direct competitor that offers a pretty similar service that experiences a near identical attack during the exact same high volume time of the year that recovers in hours when it takes you days... It's not good enough.
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Except that the only part of Sony that is making money is the console division. The PlayStation isn't hurting them, it's the only part of their business that is keeping them alive.
Yeah, but the profit from the Playstation division is so small it can't keep Sony Corp alive. It barely keeps Playstation alive. But you can relax. The Japanese government will step in like ours did with GM.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:37 AM   #34
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That's not good enough when you're operating a paid service used for games, movies, music and TV. You need to invest in infrastructure or people will take their business elsewhere.
Personally, it's unreasonable to ask any company to invest in excessive infrastructure to protect against the off-chance of a DDOS attack or the all-too-brief surges in activity they would see over the course of a day or two during the holiday season, a new expansion release or whatever example is pertinent to a particular business model.

Is it frustrating to have outages when I want to be using an online service? Yes, especially if it's being caused by dickweeds looking to simply screw with people. It's equally frustrating when I can't use a service because there are simply too many people attempting to access it at the same time.
Of course, it's just as frustrating when someone crashes into a telephone pole and knocks out power/cable/internet service, or a thunderstorm rolls in and disrupts satellite service.

Outages occur and they suck. As a reasonable, informed human being, I also understand that they're sometimes inevitable and any solutions that would be available to technically prevent or alleviate the situation aren't actually necessary most of the time and are rarely financially or infrastructurally feasible.
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Personally, it's unreasonable to ask any company to invest in excessive infrastructure to protect against the off-chance of a DDOS attack or the all-too-brief surges in activity they would see over the course of a day or two during the holiday season, a new expansion release or whatever example is pertinent to a particular business model.
It is if they have decided to take on-line hosting away from players so they can do it themselves for a "better experience". We didn't ask for this Sony-only setup that they don't want to invest in excessive infrastructure in. They forced it on us so they could make more money.

So no, I don't think it's unreasonable at all.
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Personally, it's unreasonable to ask any company to invest in excessive infrastructure to protect against the off-chance of a DDOS attack or the all-too-brief surges in activity they would see over the course of a day or two during the holiday season, a new expansion release or whatever example is pertinent to a particular business model.
Is it off chance at this point? And the holiday surge is, at this point, a predictable occurrence. You think it's unreasonable to expect a company to protect itself from outside attacks or be prepared for increased traffic? Pfft....

That's like saying you think it's unreasonable for a company to lock it's doors at night or haven enough cash registers to ring people out when they know they will be busy.
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It is if they have decided to take on-line hosting away from players so they can do it themselves for a "better experience". We didn't ask for this Sony-only setup that they don't want to invest in excessive infrastructure in. They forced it on us so they could make more money.

So no, I don't think it's unreasonable at all.
There's no such thing as, "unreasonable" when it comes to making sure people's personal info is protected. Although, granted, it's almost impossible to do these days, if ever. If a human can make it, a human can hack it.
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There's no such thing as, "unreasonable" when it comes to making sure people's personal info is protected.
Actually, there is. There is always a cost analysis involved in any kind of 'insurance' against negative events. The trick is to get the right balance between the cost and the benefit. A company cannot outspend its resources to protect against negative events when those negative events would actually be less costly than the protection.

The trick is to get the balance right, to spend enough to mitigate negative events (like hacks, credit card fraud) but not to overspend the potential loss from those events.

Personally, I think companies go too far in the direction of underspending on these issues. They are leaky sieves when it comes to information and technology.
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