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Old 03-02-2017, 10:58 AM   #1941
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Someone pointed out something crucial recently, that dramatically-increased access to information via the modern internet is not bringing us closer together politically, it is driving everyone into extremes.
I'd agree, and it's not just access to information it's that the information out there is spoon-fed with it's extremism already packed in.

Huffpo vs. Drudge
Kos vs. Brietbart
Fox vs. MSNBC

There are very few sites out there with an actual balanced look. I'd say the only one I go to on a regular basis is Reason.com.

Social media isn't helping when anyone can send their stupidest and most incendiary thoughts to the world in an instant without any filter and only vague, after the fact repercussions (except conservatives who seem to be in the crosshairs of the Twitter "Safety Council")
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This may lead to the necessity of splitting up the country politically, because it seems otherwise that civil war is the only logical result of this current increasing division.
I think it's pretty clear this is already the case; just look at the red and blue on the map. Pretty soon we're going to end up like Israel where the army is going to have to be deployed to move conservative citizens out of the coastal states to interior and build a big ass wall to keep the ill-liberal, anti-American terrorists on the other side.

Checkpoints will be setup and, of course since the ill-liberals and progressives are the ones most inclined to violence we'll have to post well armed and armored guards at the checkpoints.

This land is their land, this land is our land.
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Old 03-02-2017, 01:54 PM   #1943
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Old 03-02-2017, 03:35 PM   #1944
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You realize this is just the main stream media having a hissy fit and beginning to realize they can't dictate what they perceive as the truth anymore to everyone else right? They are very afraid and with good reason.
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:04 PM   #1945
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I am stupider for having read that article. I literally lost IQ points. People don't like the internet because it divorces politics from the "measured" filter and analysis of the Mainstream Media. And this is the biggest threat to democracy.

Because we know the Mainstream Media is there to serve us all with the most balanced coverage possible. Without such a barrier we have a democracy in name only.
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:19 PM   #1946
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The Internet has broken the stranglehold that the liberal media have had on information dissemination for decades and decades and decades. All the 'mean' things people say are no different than the way progressives operated with impunity for decades when the decks were stacked against conservatives and the facade of polite, proper behavior and conduct was held in place by the mutual agreement of those within the liberal media echo chamber hiding the way they actually operated.

Finally, the circle-jerk has been punctured and they're raging against being revealed for what they truly are. This is why progs are pissed off:



Look at how long they had the run of the House. Same in the Senate. Decade after decade, they ran the show. And what a shitty show it was. Now they're out of power, and you don't make policy when you lose in politics, you just make a shitload of noise. See my sig.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:41 PM   #1947
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You realize this is just the main stream media having a hissy fit and beginning to realize they can't dictate what they perceive as the truth anymore to everyone else right? They are very afraid and with good reason.
Yeah its just more throwing shit out there to see what sticks.

I never gave a crap about Hillary's email server. Its just politics. But the fact that this is literally all they have is a good sign. This is just another attempt by them to create a narrative out of thin air and will it into reality. None of the other ones have worked, i don't guess this one will either. Meanwhile more and more get redpilled.

Sweden has been a good recent story that s gotten some traction.

As far as the internet goes. NOW finally we may be able to have some democracy. But im starting to think that alot of people dont really want it now that they see what it is. At least in its current form culturally diverse crime ridden America.

Democracy is pretty reliant on an honest set of players. What the MSM did for all these years is tell us that the players were fair. They weren't.
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Yeah its just more throwing shit out there to see what sticks.

I never gave a crap about Hillary's email server. Its just politics. But the fact that this is literally all they have is a good sign. This is just another attempt by them to create a narrative out of thin air and will it into reality. None of the other ones have worked, i don't guess this one will either. Meanwhile more and more get redpilled.

Sweden has been a good recent story that s gotten some traction.

As far as the internet goes. NOW finally we may be able to have some democracy. But im starting to think that alot of people dont really want it now that they see what it is. At least in its current form culturally diverse crime ridden America.

Democracy is pretty reliant on an honest set of players. What the MSM did for all these years is tell us that the players were fair. They weren't.
But we're not a democracy. We're a Constitutional Republic, and I'm not quite sure why that is so hard to get across to those on the left and the MSM. It's really simple, enforce the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Stop trying to turn the US into a socialist shithole.
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But we're not a democracy. We're a Constitutional Republic
We are a democratic republic in that we vote in the people that rule us, and we have been trending more democratic and less republic for a long time now, as the politicians continue to step over the boundaries set for their power by the constitution, growing the power of the central government and diminishing the limits placed on them.

This happens because the writers of the constitution entrusted the politicians themselves with the responsibility to police the limits of their own power. This should have been an obvious mistake. It is now.
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We are a democratic republic in that we vote in the people that rule us, and we have been trending more democratic and less republic for a long time now, as the politicians continue to step over the boundaries set for their power by the constitution, growing the power of the central government and diminishing the limits placed on them.

This happens because the writers of the constitution entrusted the politicians themselves with the responsibility to police the limits of their own power. This should have been an obvious mistake. It is now.
Bullshit, the only obvious mistake is you pretending to be a libertarian in your little napoleon complex desire to tear it all down and be the tinpot authoritarian dictator you wish you were. The US is a Constitutional Republic, despite the desires of you and the rest of your progressive breathren that it weren't.
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This happens because the writers of the constitution entrusted the politicians themselves with the responsibility to police the limits of their own power.
No, they did NOT entrust constitutional limitations on power to politicians. They created a system of competing and equal branches of government to provide checks and balances on the power of any one of the individual branches of government or politicians individually. What they didn't count on was the nearly complete abdication of responsibility on the part of one branch (Congress), which has increasingly ceded power and authority to the executive and to unaccountable bureaucracies empowered by congressional legislation to take congressional powers over the purse and regulatory rule making. Then there is the whole question of the judicial branch, which has in fact also gathered unto itself power not constitutionally assigned to it (SCOTUS was not set up to be a final arbiter of constitutional questions; it assigned that power to itself).

The problem isn't the Constitution, it's the abdication of constitutional responsibilities by Congress, primarily, that has broken the system beyond belief.
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No, they did NOT entrust constitutional limitations on power to politicians. They created a system of competing and equal branches of government to provide checks and balances on the power of any one of the individual branches of government or politicians individually.
And that experiment has clearly failed. In the end, they are all part of the same government and are able to team up against the interests of the people in general. If the president, the congress, and the supreme court all decide that the 2nd amendment doesn't give you an individual right to carry a gun, guess what happens? Where is the checks and balances effect on simple agreement about that? If the supreme court had been in lefty hands during the Obama administration, it would have already happened, because they had 2/3 in both houses of congress. Basically a few accidents of history regarding the supreme court is the only thing that kept them from destroying the 2nd amendment.

That is some protection from gov going hog wild, but it's not actual complete protection. A survey of government actions shows that the vast, vast majority of what the government does is in fact unconstitutional, right now, so where are your checks and balances?

They justify 90% of what government does not on the basis of enumerated powers, but of a few 'grab bag' clauses in the constitution that were never meant to allow what they are being used to allow, such as the general welfare clause, which has allowed them to complete route around the enumerated powers.

And people are voting for it and approving it--the constitution no longer matters.

That is what I mean when I say we are increasingly a democracy, driven by voters and politicians, and less a republic--what the actual law says matters less and less, and what people in power think and decide matters more and more, and no conservative should be denying this. The entire obamacare law is entirely unconstitutional.

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That was always going to happen because of veto power and enforcement power in the executive. Another simple flaw in the constitution.

For the congress to have more power to offset the executive, it would need to have a simple-majority vote to do so. 2/3 is too much.

Meanwhile, there is no effective congressional check on enforcement choices of the executive.

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Then there is the whole question of the judicial branch, which has in fact also gathered unto itself power not constitutionally assigned to it (SCOTUS was not set up to be a final arbiter of constitutional questions; it assigned that power to itself).

The problem isn't the Constitution, it's the abdication of constitutional responsibilities by Congress, primarily, that has broken the system beyond belief.
The constitution was either created to produce the outcome we see today, or has been unable to prevent it. Either way, it has proved an ineffective check on political power.

Dead words cannot long-term overrule living politicians who are trying to do everything they can to get around it, and have no external check on their power.
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This happens because the writers of the constitution entrusted the politicians themselves with the responsibility to police the limits of their own power. This should have been an obvious mistake. It is now.

Immigration from non Europeans nations caused this. Mexicans, Jews, Asians, Indians all now have a say in what happens and collectively hold more power than the Europeans that built this country, until Trump that is. America is doomed unless Trump and the American people stay vigilant and fix the demographics in this county.

62% white and dropping isnt going to cut it.

And endless growth is going to have to end also. Its just time to stabilize things. All this work is destroying families.
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Immigration is only a political factor in a democratic system operating on majority rule. So, as long as you assume that has to be used to solve political disputes and not another method, you can blame immigration. But I would rather blame democracy and get rid of it, then there is no issue with immigration. Not the US would be anything today without lots of immigration.
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Color isn't the key, culture and ideology are. I have more in common with Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas than I do with most whites from the blue states along the coasts. In fact, those whites are actively HOSTILE to my freedom to live as I see fit, whereas the only limitation I seek to place upon their liberty is their right to kill babies purely because of their age.
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Color isn't the key, culture and ideology are. I have more in common with Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas than I do with most whites from the blue states along the coasts. In fact, those whites are actively HOSTILE to my freedom to live as I see fit, whereas the only limitation I seek to place upon their liberty is their right to kill babies purely because of their age.
If they wear their pants around their knees and run around pointing guns at people to steal from them is it still considered "abortion" if they are killed. I mean you could apply the whole "kill babies purely because their age" to such a broad brush. Trayvon Martin was someone's "baby boy".

So was Timothy McVeigh.
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Step away from the pipe, pops. You're not making a damned bit of sense. If you have such a hardon for abortion, go pay for them yourself. Don't take my tax dollars to rip your unborn progeny to pieces because you don't want to be bothered with them.
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And that experiment has clearly failed. In the end, they are all part of the same government and are able to team up against the interests of the people in general. If the president, the congress, and the supreme court all decide that the 2nd amendment doesn't give you an individual right to carry a gun, guess what happens? Where is the checks and balances effect on simple agreement about that?
You don't seem to grasp that the people are voting in members of Congress, the president, and as a result of the elections, people are placed on SCOTUS.

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A survey of government actions shows that the vast, vast majority of what the government does is in fact unconstitutional, right now, so where are your checks and balances?
This is the problem, and it's exemplified by your posts; who decides what is or is not in fact constitutional? Is going by the word of the Constitution, the spirit of the Constitution, or perhaps by made-up definitions to contort the Constitution into supporting a position?

Now you'll want to contend - which is where this is all leading - that the individual is able to declare what is or isn't essentially "constitutional" in your version of AnCap. This isn't true, of course. It's obviously debunked by your declaration of a court sentencing people to death whom never consented to the laws they're being placed on trial for breaking -- in fact, you said the person wouldn't even be at their own trial, allowing for this court to pick and decide its own cases without giving a person a chance to defend themselves against laws they never agreed to.

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Immigration is only a political factor in a democratic system operating on majority rule. So, as long as you assume that has to be used to solve political disputes and not another method, you can blame immigration. But I would rather blame democracy and get rid of it, then there is no issue with immigration. Not the US would be anything today without lots of immigration.
Of course you'd rather blame democracy. You'd blame democracy if you locked yourself out your vehicle.

There is an issue with immigration even with the removal of democratic systems. If the values of those greatly change around you, that's quite likely to affect your life directly. This is actually seen in neighborhoods in the United States from people immigration within the state they currently reside. Many people will point to the gentrification of neighborhoods, with immigration of people of a certain economic class leading to a changing environment which some argue is harmful to a lower economic class. There is also the reverse, where a neighborhood can go downhill when a group of people immigrate in and trash the place. Some of these, both gentrification and the reverse, are incorrectly blamed on racial groups -- however, this immigration does greatly affect people regardless.
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Dead words cannot long-term overrule living politicians who are trying to do everything they can to get around it, and have no external check on their power.
Coming from the guy who claims that no 'external check' is necessary to create a harmonious, peaceful, utopian society, your post is rich with irony and idiocy.
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