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Old 03-30-2020, 08:23 AM   #561
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New Orleans' Dem leadership failed them once again, as it did during Katrina. 'Let's have Mardi Gras!' followed by 'Trump let us have Mardi Gras!'

We live in a gigantic country, third largest in population and geographic size. There will be successes and failures dealing with this disease, and in the end we will be looking at a serious flu season. In other words, comparable numbers. Under 1% overall mortality, IMO, if PROPER studies are done regarding the TRUE number of infected individuals.

If people develop resistance/immunity to the disease, we can expect more normalcy next season (fall to winter). If not, we'll see this happen again next year. Maybe then, Dems will stop touting lying Chinese numbers, 'hug a Chinaman' approaches to the disease, and will realize borders actually mean something (your fellow Louisianans are being told to quarantine if you enter Texas, just like New Yorkers are being told to quarantine if they go to Rhode Island. BORDERS!

Good luck with your Green New Deal now, lol. Folks have seen how ridiculous a month or two of this kind of restrictionist, reduced life is, and there is no way folks are signing up for even MORE of this for DECADES, lol. YOUR DUMB IDEAS LOSE once again.


As for the media spin, don't be surprised if they are shifting gears in the narrative, because they know people don't keep buying the same story. So what we see is the following:

Earlier we were told repeatedly how millions and millions are gonna die. People will no longer buy this crap, so they are now shifting to how terrible it is that 100k could maybe die. It's still all because Trump is so bad. They'll also crucify him if 80k die.

But then they also know people won't buy this shit for long either, so they are already preparing to switch rails towards economic problems. After weeks of complaining that the measures weren't enough, because all Trump cares about is rich guys getting richer, you'll see them start complaining that the measures were too much and destroyed the economy, so poor people that got hit by that know exactly who to blame. Trump destroyed the economy. The guy just can't get anything right. They'll also start to talk more about how the lockdown is just a means for the president to establish his fascist dictatorship, etc. So as time goes on, the news will be all about the economy and freedom, and how Trump ruined it.

You know how at the start of the year, when Trump held his big conference on the state of affairs, and pointed out how things were going great for america, economy booming, lowest unemployment rate ever, etc pp. And you saw liberals make all these long faces and express disgust. You still have those pictures in mind, right. Pelosi ripping apart the constitution.

This is all they wanted from the crisis. They got just about enough of that to rain on the parade, no need to completely ruin themselves over it, as you know they got more money to lose than anyone. So even they become back-to-workers now. The money they lost is like as if they made a donation to the coming elections campaign.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:04 AM   #562
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Garbage source but Trump was talking about this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-forklift.html
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:08 AM   #563
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United States: 329 million people
South Korea: 51.47 million people
Taiwan: 23.78 million people

Do you see any reason why your comparison may be flawed?
What is the population of China? There is a lot of negative stuff to say about China's response but they did contain a large corona outbreak in their country. The US did not. But still somehow the US response was the best and we were the most prepared and US #1 even though we failed in every metric across the board.

The bottom line is that both small and large countries did a better job here by any available metric, but go ahead and trot out your study from before the disaster. I'm sure we had internal studies about how great invading Iraq would go too.

I'm sure China's containment won't count either somehow though and it is just the whole world against Trump and nothing that happens could ever be his fault.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:18 AM   #564
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What is the population of China? There is a lot of negative stuff to say about China's response but they did contain a large corona outbreak in their country. The US did not. But still somehow the US response was the best and we were the most prepared and US #1 even though we failed in every metric across the board.

I'm sure China's containment won't count either somehow though and it is just the whole world against Trump and nothing that happens could ever be his fault.
Man... even by your standards, this was just a bad post.

No, it doesn't count because reasonable people are saying that it isn't true. But you don't believe that because why would a despotic communist totalitarian government lie about an outbreak for which it is very much to blame and is likely to be threatened with massive financial consequences if and when this is all truly deemed to be their fault?

Here, read these:
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2...t-numbers.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...en-coronavirus

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Old 03-30-2020, 11:28 AM   #565
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What is the population of China? There is a lot of negative stuff to say about China's response but they did contain a large corona outbreak in their country. The US did not. But still somehow the US response was the best and we were the most prepared and US #1 even though we failed in every metric across the board.

The bottom line is that both small and large countries did a better job here by any available metric, but go ahead and trot out your study from before the disaster. I'm sure we had internal studies about how great invading Iraq would go too.

I'm sure China's containment won't count either somehow though and it is just the whole world against Trump and nothing that happens could ever be his fault.
lol dude. China threatened people at gun point to stay home, people were at risk getting shot on the spot if caught outside, and if not that they got beaten up by militia; they had mobile incinerators burning bodies on the spot, not giving a damn about identifications, they had drones flying around the streets spraying unidentified fluids on everything, stuff, people, animals. Forced vaccination with god knows what, pushing people around in all kinds of ways. The list goes on with horrible measures, we can't possibly imagine doing here at all.

Yeah, it's effective if you only look at it from a point of containment. But it is absolutely ridiculous only looking at it by that metric. If that is what it takes to slightly improve the numbers, then no fucking thanks, I am not jealous at all about their "success". Fuck that, we'll defend our freedoms with our lives like we've always done.

We are not talking about T-Virus from Resident Evil here, it's not the zombie apocalypse, it's gonna be slightly worse than a typical flue maybe. In this specific case I'm not gonna get all out on it like China did. If having worse numbers on containment than China in this case means not doing all this shit, I'm all for "looking bad" in comparison, thank you very much. It's just a damn flu, dude.

Now let's talk some more about China. They fucking love this shit. For some time now since the Hong Kong thing, China has been clamping down hard, throwing out foreigners/travelers/outsiders, hammering down on minorities, threatening to dissolve HK protests with military force, etc. Having this excuse to shut down everything and send all people into isolation, while looking like doing the world a fucking favour and being admired by morons, is like a god sent gift for them. In fact it is so incredibly convenient in the timing, that it almost begs the damn question how much chance this is. This couldn't have come better for them, they don't give a flying fuck about the economic consequences, nothing is more important than securing unified territory.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:49 AM   #566
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Junk.

* Over 400 people die every day in New York City on a typical day.
* Many of those who died were on death's door due to prior conditions.
* The bodies are being stored because they CANNOT be dealt with in the usual way due to their viral contamination, NOT because the system is overwhelmed.

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China... did contain a large corona outbreak in their country. The US did not.
Communist propaganda from our resident communist sympathizer.

You are a fucking idiot.
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Old 03-30-2020, 12:40 PM   #567
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Man... even by your standards, this was just a bad post.

No, it doesn't count because reasonable people are saying that it isn't true. But you don't believe that because why would a despotic communist totalitarian government lie about an outbreak for which it is very much to blame and is likely to be threatened with massive financial consequences if and when this is all truly deemed to be their fault?

Here, read these:
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2...t-numbers.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...en-coronavirus
I definitely think there is still low key spread of corona in China, but I don't believe it is at epidemic levels like we saw in Wuhan. I do believe their hard shutdown was pretty successful. I also think they were and still are wildly manipulating and suppressing the numbers they release.

China is pretty good at shutting down spread of information, but they aren't that good at it.
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The woman who killed her husband with fish tank cleaner and nearly died herself while blaming Trump is...wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...

A big-time Democrat donor.

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She's a member of the Party of Science™ whose "most recent donations, in late February, were to a Democratic PAC, the 314 Action Fund, that bills itself as the 'pro-science resistance.'"

That's right, ladies and gentlemen, she is a part of the 'pro-science resistance' and she consumed fish tank cleaner, because...Orange Man Bad!™

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Holy shit, this is so...progressive!

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Junk.

* Over 400 people die every day in New York City on a typical day.
* Many of those who died were on death's door due to prior conditions.
* The bodies are being stored because they CANNOT be dealt with in the usual way due to their viral contamination, NOT because the system is overwhelmed.



Communist propaganda from our resident communist sympathizer.

You are a fucking idiot.
I saw the video of the forklift loading bodies into the back of a truck in NY. For some reason it was surrounded by people with hospital gear and mask watching the whole thing happen, like a bunch of rednecks watching a truck pull another truck out of a ditch lol. No more than 2-3 bodies, tops.

I hate to do this, but it seemed staged. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see and all that.

Anyhoo, teh numbers of infected is slowing as of today, will it continue to level off tomorrow?
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Why is the MSM trying to get everyone back to work? Shutdown moved out to April 30th lol. The sky is super clear tonight.

I think the dates on the articles and opinion pieces in this picture are important, because the timing of these paints a very different picture.

Washington Post - Get a grippe, America - 2/1/2020

CNN Politics - Schumer: 1/31/2020

New York Times - Who says it's not safe to travel to China - 2/05/2020

Washington Post - How our brains make coronavirus scary - 1/31/2020

Time - Want to protect yourself from coronavirus? - 1/31/2020

USA Today - Coronavirus not a global threat - 1/27/202

Washington Post - Aggressive Government Response - 2/3/2020

Buzzfeed - Don't worry about coronavirus - originally from 1/28/2020, updated 3/28/2020

These articles are all from when the media was trying to downplay the coronavirus, while Democrats were calling travel bans racist. When taken out of context, it could definitely look like they're "trying to get everyone back to work"...but they're all from the point when no one realized it was going to become a global pandemic.
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What is the population of China? There is a lot of negative stuff to say about China's response but they did contain a large corona outbreak in their country. The US did not. But still somehow the US response was the best and we were the most prepared and US #1 even though we failed in every metric across the board.

The bottom line is that both small and large countries did a better job here by any available metric, but go ahead and trot out your study from before the disaster. I'm sure we had internal studies about how great invading Iraq would go too.

I'm sure China's containment won't count either somehow though...
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...and it is just the whole world against Trump and nothing that happens could ever be his fault.
As usual, Eats goes for the insane leftist talking points and assumptions that anyone who supports Trump MUST think he can do no wrong. And, unlike you, we don't insist that EVERYTHING bad that happens is his fault (and anything good, well, that was obviously Obama) and according to you that makes us a cult.

But you don't see that as being biased, I know. You believe everything the Chinese dictatorship says and you hate the US. Anytime someone tries to show how the US is doing something good, you do do everything you can to spin it in a negative light with more bullshit.

And we are the ones who are in the cult? You may want to look in a mirror sometime. You might be surprised at what you see.
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I think the dates on the articles and opinion pieces in this picture are important, because the timing of these paints a very different picture.

CNN Politics - Schumer: 1/31/2020

New York Times - Who says it's not safe to travel to China - 2/05/2020

Washington Post - How our brains make coronavirus scary - 1/31/2020

Time - Want to protect yourself from coronavirus? - 1/31/2020

USA Today - Coronavirus not a global threat - 1/27/202

Washington Post - Aggressive Government Response - 2/3/2020

Buzzfeed - Don't worry about coronavirus - originally from 1/28/2020, updated 3/28/2020

These articles are all from when the media was trying to downplay the coronavirus, while Democrats were calling travel bans racist. When taken out of context, it could definitely look like they're "trying to get everyone back to work"...but they're all from the point when no one realized it was going to become a global pandemic.


Yeah, but the shift in narrative is going to happen anyway independent of that poster. you'll see, is just a question of time. The corona scare will run out of steam eventually, and all that will remain is economic questions and who's to blame for what. They will try to take the economic narrative away from the conservatives, like they appropriated the competence on disease control from them.

But it's good to realize again that back at the start of it, liberals were just about as clueless on the issue as they try to paint conservatives now. Libs were completely oblivious to the problem when conservatives had the common sense to at least do the minimum (travel bans). Later they started to overcompensate and get back in control of the narrative, but like in Brazil it's time to get a grip on things and steer the wheel back in the direction of normalcy by doing the necessary minimum of steps, like isolating those in special risk, instead holding the entirety of society as hostage on months without end.
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Yeah, I've suspected this long ago. They have a unique patient persistence that he has displayed continuously.

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As usual, Eats goes for the insane leftist talking points and assumptions that anyone who supports Trump MUST think he can do no wrong. And, unlike you, we don't insist that EVERYTHING bad that happens is his fault (and anything good, well, that was obviously Obama)
I think everything that happens while Trump has been in office is his responsibility, good and bad. Ultimately he could intercede in pretty much anything that is happening. Unless he gets a veto overridden, then it isn't on him. But that hasn't happened so far.

He has chosen to let the country mostly just run on autopilot and do nothing, letting the GOP just sort of do whatever. That isn't really leadership but what happens is still his responsibility.

The CDC fuckups are on him, just like the good things that have happened without his intervention are also on him.
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Yeah, I've suspected this long ago. They have a unique patient persistence that he has displayed continuously.

"Hello my fellow white people."
Disgusting, I guess this is like a full white supremacy forum now.
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I think everything that happens while Trump has been in office is his responsibility, good and bad. Ultimately he could intercede in pretty much anything that is happening. Unless he gets a veto overridden, then it isn't on him. But that hasn't happened so far.
For the last 3.5 years the left has been saying he doesn't know the first thing about being the President or running the country, why the fuck would they want him to take charge NOW when we are on the doorstep to what the MSM would have us believe is the EXTINCTION OF ALL MANKIND?!

And besides, if you've been paying attention Trump has very little power to do anything Congress or the states don't want him to do.

Let me point you at his big beautiful wall... oh, wait, a couple thousand miles and billions and billions of dollars short of full containment.

How about the absolute block of migrants into the US... hmm, nope, still a non-stop torrent.

There there was the totally smooth nomination of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the SCOTUS.

I know, no more anchor babies! Nope, darn it, still 10s of thousands exploiting a misread constitutional amendment every year.

Wait, I got it, it must be how he made it so there are no more sanctuary cities and stuff... shit, nope not that either.

I like how he shut down that Russian and then the Ukraine investigation... wait, fuck!

Now he's got GM making those ventilators in the factory they no longer own.

And he should totally override the 10th amendment and stop on State's Rights. That would be a great way to avoid the Dictator moniker the left has been trying to stick to him for the last 3.5 years.

I mean, the states are doing a GREAT job already, like New York still not closing all their parks or stopping international flights from known risk areas.

I mean Trump has ALL THIS POWER AMIRITE?
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...they're all from the point when no one realized it was going to become a global pandemic.
Excuse-making. SOMEONE realized it and had the gigantic balls of steel to make a decision that needed to be made that saved lives.

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You can eat a dick and take your shit with you as well.
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And besides, if you've been paying attention Trump has very little power to do anything Congress or the states don't want him to do.

Let me point you at his big beautiful wall... oh, wait, a couple thousand miles and billions and billions of dollars short of full containment.

How about the absolute block of migrants into the US... hmm, nope, still a non-stop torrent.

There there was the totally smooth nomination of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the SCOTUS.
This is true, but Trumps inability to move things through congress, especially when both houses were controlled by the GOP, is part of his failing as president.

Just like when Obama was president and he couldn't move anything after the dems lost control of the legislative branch. That is on him. Just like it was on him when they rapidly moved to get Obamacare passed when they did have control.

A major part of being president is your ability to negotiate and move legislation. If you can't do that then you are basically stuck doing EOs and managing the federal branches of government which are still fully under your control(like the CDC, for example).

This is one of the major reasons presidents who ascend through the house/senate historically handle business and can get a lot of shit done. They have all the relationships and people owe them favors and they can actually be an effective executive.

Trump mostly squandered his time when the GOP controlled the legislative branch because he had no experience and was too busy playing the apprentice with all his appointments in the executive branch. He has sort of gotten better since then as he gets a handle on being President, but only sort of.
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