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Old 04-16-2018, 03:11 AM   #1521
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My thesis is (again) cost is only one of a number of factors
Actually, your thesis was/is that tariffs (25% in China on American cars!) are meaningless. Which makes you economically stupid.

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The fact you are happy we are getting the scraps the Japanese are throwing our way and see this as a thriving "American Auto Industry" is tragic. Simply having jobs is not a strong foundation for our auto industry.
Who said our auto industry is thriving? Reading fail, bud. The whole point is we need a level playing field, and we don't have one.

As for the jobs being 'scraps,' you go ahead and tell that to the folks working at those plants and get back to me on that pile of stinking bullshit you posted right there.

The tariffs are out of whack and a problem. Trump is right to hit China (foremost) and others (to a lesser degree) for their abuse of our economic liberality. We've been played for decades, and it needs to end.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:25 PM   #1522
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The fact you are happy we are getting the scraps the Japanese are throwing our way and see this as a thriving "American Auto Industry" is tragic. Simply having jobs is not a strong foundation for our auto industry..
Ford and Chevy are the highest selling and best rated trucks on the road, it's not the scenario you paint anymore really. As for pretending our cars costing substantially more in other countries has zero effect on their sales is silly vallor, I expect better from you.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:28 PM   #1523
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It's a false flag, Israel wants their war in Syria and wants to blame Russia for it.
Why would Israel want to fight in Syria? Iran is their bigger problem. Syria is small potatoes and brings Russia into the mix unnecessarily where as people are already itching for a reason to go after Iran because of their nuke program and they wouldn't have as strong support from Russia. Hell, Russia might help.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:55 PM   #1524
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I never said 25% tariffs were meaningless or had zero effect on cars being sold overseas. I said it had less of an effect that you think.

And to prove it I showed that when similar cars are offered cheaper in America consumers choose to purchase more expensive cars anyway despite proclaiming a nationalistic loyalty.

Then I showed multiple pieces of proof describing how even lowering cost many American vehicles manufacturers do not have the cultural approach nor do they have the design sense to build vehicles suited to overseas peculiarities of foreign markets (the "family" sales pitch in Japan, the tortured and narrow streets in Europe, the need for a 1/2 ton pickup driver to get an actual CDL style license in Italy, etc).

All of these things contribute as much or more than price.

If people in America are willing to already pay a premium for a Honda over a Ford they will continue to pay a premium.

Let's say the impossible happens and tariffs lower so much in other areas so the market drops to the same deltas we have in America what makes you think people will suddenly choose to buy the Ford over the Honda even if the Ford is cheaper?

Why would they act different than Americans when we don't even have the nationalistic loyalty to pick our own home grown brand over the Foreign brand?

This isn't rocket surgery. American's don't want American cars all that much even at lower, and foreigners don't want American cars all that much with price being one of many, many factors. Making the price drop slightly isn't going to suddenly turn into some overseas American car industry bonanza.

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As for the jobs being 'scraps,' you go ahead and tell that to the folks working at those plants and get back to me on that pile of stinking bullshit you posted right there.
Yeah, I guess they say the same thing about China and Foxxcon making all our iPhones and other electronics while Apple, Microsoft, and so on get to reap the highest of marketcaps and record profits. We get to be the Foxxcon of Toyota, Nissan, and Mazda or whoever. I guess if that's good enough for you.

I don't want America to be anyone's Foxxcon; just providing any pair of hands for assembling other countries stuff because it makes for good PR "well, at least the cars are assembled here" when all the profits still end up back in Asia.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:58 PM   #1525
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Why would Israel want to fight in Syria? Iran is their bigger problem. Syria is small potatoes and brings Russia into the mix unnecessarily where as people are already itching for a reason to go after Iran because of their nuke program and they wouldn't have as strong support from Russia. Hell, Russia might help.
Israel has been fighting Syria for a while now. They aid ISIS fighters for crying out loud. Also, they just bombed Iranian fighters in Syria as well.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:15 PM   #1526
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Why would Israel want to fight in Syria? Iran is their bigger problem. Syria is small potatoes and brings Russia into the mix unnecessarily where as people are already itching for a reason to go after Iran because of their nuke program and they wouldn't have as strong support from Russia. Hell, Russia might help.
Because that's what Israel does they love their middle eastern power vacuums. They also thieve millions DAILY from the US. Think about it, if Russia was a US ally, what the fuck would we need Israel for? Not that we need them anyway, most of them are Zionists worse than Hitler to begin with. No goy better to think Russia is the big bad guy.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:33 PM   #1527
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Silly me, thinking Israel would actually want peace in the Middle East. I guess if that happens they all turn their sights back on Israel...
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:43 PM   #1528
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Silly me, thinking Israel would actually want peace in the Middle East. I guess if that happens they all turn their sights back on Israel...
Pretty much. course this is the same Israel that won't take non jews, zero immigration, yet the rest of the west is being flooded by muslims. Also by design.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:41 PM   #1529
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I never said 25% tariffs were meaningless or had zero effect on cars being sold overseas. I said it had less of an effect that you think.
You've said both. Seems you want to have it all ways as your argue on this one, lol.

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So 2.5% or 25% it doesn't fucking matter.
It does matter. A lot.

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Foxxcon is building products created by American companies with American technology. Why not also build the products here? Not everybody can be a $200,000/year design engineer. Some folks need blue collar jobs on the factory line. They pay well and offer a decent middle class existence, like millions of blue collar folks used to have with American automobile, coal, and steel companies.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:06 PM   #1530
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It does matter. A lot.
If price was the only consideration American's would be buying American brand cars at a much higher rate than they do. But it isn't and they aren't.

Instead your very own chart shows foreign brand cars dominate the top 10 vehicles sold in the United States even though, all other factors being equal, they cost more than the same American brand car in the same category.

This is in American where, presumably the population SHOULD be more willing to buy the America product over the foreign product however it would seem we pay MORE money and don't buy American anyway.

So why should someone in another country do any different? Even if we magically brought prices in line with how they are in America and the American car was cheaper than the foreign car?

Not to mention the other dozen+ reasons (those ones you refuse to address) besides price which seriously diminish the value of American vehicles overseas.

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You can't be scornful of things like NAFTA and other trade agreements which allow the utilization of cheaper overseas labor yet be ok when this is turned against us.

They are good jobs, just like Foxxcon jobs are good jobs for the Chinese who work them. But it's all part of the business model and there is a huge benefit for the company to have the cars assembled here. Not the least are massive financial incentives from the states where the plants are located and incentives on importing the parts, rather than the cars themselves. Tax payers subsidize those workers and jobs.

Plus the PR of being able to say they employ Americans. It is a good thing but it isn't being done out of the goodness of these companies hearts.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:53 PM   #1531
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If price was the only consideration.
I never said it was "the only consideration."

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You're kidding, right? Of course I can. As an American I fully expect our politicians to advocate relentlessly for American workers and interests. Other nations' interests are not my problem, and where agreements like NAFTA harm us, I expect our politicians to rectify that.
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:56 PM   #1532
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They DAMN WELL BETTER charge him. They charged Michael Flynn with the same damn thing AND they avoided interviewing Shillary under oath so she could lie to the FBI and not face charges.

Let liberals prove their tribal hatred for the rule of law with further GoFundMe idiocy for McCabe when charges are dropped on his lying ass. Morons.
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I never said it was "the only consideration."
Then why are we arguing? We agree. I think the point is the contention is the degree to which price is an issue.
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Old 04-21-2018, 08:51 PM   #1534
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Then why are we arguing?
Because agreement is boring.
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Works for Planned Parenhood. Maybe he could use it in an appeal.

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“Look, guys, let’s keep this in perspective,” she said in a press conference held at Planned Parenthood’s New York offices. “Cosby provided many needed services, like laughter, stand-up comedy, and a solid sitcom. You can’t paint him with the broad brush of ‘sexual offender’ just because a very small percentage of his activities were horrifying and abusive.”
LOL. Satire is awesome.
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Old 04-28-2018, 07:36 AM   #1536
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1976, Rick Monday saves American flag from burning.



Respect for the flag was popular then, and it's popular now. Try it, proggies.
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Broken bot, with broken English, trying to jump in on the action. Lol. Seems almost like a slight, with what it is peddling too.
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ElijahDy is just trolling for liberal Soy Boys. He knows they don't have enough "T" to keep things going so figures this might be a good thread to get some business.

Good thinking Eli but you should be banned anyway.
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Read this thread. If your blood doesn't boil, you must be a liberal.

And fuck you for the real collusion of trying to overturn the results of a presidential election.
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